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Jan 29th, 2007 at 6:45pm
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So Vista launches tomorrow for consumers. Before I even consider this, what do you have to say about it Bob? or anyone with the know, for that matter.I haven't done too much research on the subject, I figured you guys would know better. I waited a while before putting XP on the ol' machine, so I was wondering if that should be the plan now.

I think the plan is, when Bob goes Vista, I'll go.
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 29th, 2007 at 8:44pm
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If you wait on me, you'll be waiting for awhile.  I've messed around with the RTM version of Vista and it freakin' sucks.  Driver support is non-existent, games run 25-35% slower (because of an updated HAL so games no longer have direct access to the hardware), the OS is a resource hog, and it doesn't really bring anything new to the table.  Outside of a couple flashy enhancements to the desktop and explorer (which I disabled anyway because I'm old school) I see absolutely no reason to switch.

At the very least, I'd recommend waiting 3-4 months for hardware vendors to start shipping mature drivers for their hardware.  Because of the huge changes to the graphics substructure, video drivers are going to be slow in coming to fruition.

Have you read about the new graphics system yet?  Supposedly, it will prevent video card/driver crashes from wiping out the rest of the memory structure, thereby preventing catastrophic OS failures (i.e. BSoD's) and will allow video drives to be installed without requiring a reboot of the OS.  I, for one, will believe it when I see it.  Microsoft has made similar promised before - namely with Windows Server 2003 - and it still seems like I have to reboot my servers every time I install updates.

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Reply #2 - Jan 29th, 2007 at 8:55pm
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I feared as much. Oh well. I'm happy with Xp at the moment. I also heard Microsoft is not going to do huge new Operating Systems. They are going to focus on more online updates, and the like.
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 29th, 2007 at 10:16pm
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Microsoft contends that Vista is such a huge improvement over previous computing platforms that users inevitably say "Wow" when they see it. Gates ticked off some examples, such as how Vista presents a slick 3-D graphical user interface and document icons that give at-a-glance previews.


Interesting to note...both "examples" are just visual examples.  What is Microsoft trying to do?  Become Apple?!

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Vista comes as changing dynamics of computing — notably the rise of open-source software and Web-based services that replicate what traditionally could be done only on a desktop computer — are threatening Microsoft's dominance in the industry.


That is until Gates makes it incompatible.  Then they'll get sued...then nothing will happen to them.

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But Gates contended that the operating system has a higher profile than ever before, as the PC has morphed from a souped-up typewriter to a networked entertainment center, personal media library and gateway to the Internet.

"When people think about their PC, they think about Windows even more than who the manufacturer is," Gates told The Associated Press. "That determines how it looks, how you navigate, what the applications are that are available."


That is because Microsoft has such a strangle hold over the "competition" that I am force to say "competition".  Microsoft should just change its name to Ma-Bell-soft.  Then we'd pay attention and break it up!!!

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Reply #4 - Jan 29th, 2007 at 10:24pm
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http://www.yahoo.com/s/494386

Hopefully that video link works...if not the video can be seen on Yahoo's site.  It's a preview of what Vista looks like...also an AP reporter is talking about it.

Funny...she mentions the LOOK of it and the increase security.  Maybe if Microsoft actually took the time to build a whole new OS instead of using the same setup from 1.0 then they wouldn't have to worry about too many of these flaws.  Also they should contract to hackers in the real world to try and break it and then fix it..instead of suing people who tell them about flaws.

I know...a pipe dream.

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Reply #5 - Jan 30th, 2007 at 8:46am
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Increased security?  Pssh.  Every major release of Windows since 3.11 for Workgroups has touted "increased security," and look where we are today.

Vista is nothing but a bunch of Apple-esque eye candy tacked onto an existing OS with a couple of variations in graphics and networking substructures.  Nothing to see here, move along...

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Reply #6 - Jan 30th, 2007 at 3:41pm
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haha it cost Microsoft 6 billion to develop.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 30th, 2007 at 6:42pm
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Yes, and a good portion of that was wasted on technologies that never even shipped with the operating system.  WinFS, anyone?  All of the noteworthy elements of Vista were ditched 18-24 months ago.

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Reply #8 - Jan 31st, 2007 at 2:52pm
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Does anyone know how much or how many units were sold the first day?  Or do we have to wait for the first week or month to find out?

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Reply #9 - Feb 1st, 2007 at 12:39pm
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how about the bit-locker that encodes your hard drive?  I kind of like that feature.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 1st, 2007 at 2:07pm
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It's simply a user-friendly version of Encrypting File System, which has been around since Windows 2000.  I've been using it in corporate environments since 2003.  It's nothing new.

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Reply #11 - Feb 2nd, 2007 at 7:48pm
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Someone down the hall had the install CD, so I thought I would try it.  This is the Business version.  You can install the program without the key for 30 days (so if any one has a crack please let me know)  Without a good video on my system card the OS looks like a suped up version of XP.  The Aero theme isn't even shown under my options.
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 2nd, 2007 at 8:20pm
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98% cpu usage? whats that all about
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 2nd, 2007 at 8:22pm
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Does it have the option to change everything back to the Classic version...eg before XP look?

http://www.break.com/index/how_to_properly_load_vista.html

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Reply #14 - Feb 3rd, 2007 at 2:52am
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ouch!

By the way, it does have the feature to revert back to windows classic.
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Reply #15 - Feb 3rd, 2007 at 12:23pm
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Bahaha, Stewie that's classic!

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Reply #16 - Feb 3rd, 2007 at 12:40pm
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By the way, it does have the feature to revert back to windows classic.


No Vista for me!!!

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Reply #17 - Feb 3rd, 2007 at 6:48pm
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http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2007/02/bill_gates_we_w.html

Pretty funny and pretty good write up.

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