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Reply #75 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 8:04am
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But they wanted to "look good" to the people because in the end we are the consumer or depositor of their products.


But what happens when you replace the consumers with a govt body who bank rolls you?  Then the govt becomes the consumer and anyone else doesn't really matter.

I think both of you make good points that I'd like to combine:

The government isn't selling anything, yet we don't kick out the people who are doing what the people don't want.  We bring this yoke on us on purpose and all we have to do is shrug our shoulders and we'd be free from it.

Government representative became government AUTHORITIES.  Police protect and serve became Us Vs. Them.
Business products became government handout establishments.

We have lost our way and now we stand at the precipice and we're either going to turn...or burn.

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Reply #76 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 9:05am
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X wrote on Feb 11th, 2009 at 8:04am:
The government isn't selling anything...


Sure it does, both figuratively and literally.  Did you listen to any of the campaign promises that were thrown about by both parties like candy?  "Vote for me, and I'll lower taxes on the poor!"  "Elect me and I'll fix healthcare!"  "Choose me and I'll get the economy back on track!"

Politicians whore themselves out with promises, and occasionally they even fulfill those promises.  That's why we have things like welfare, private industry bailouts, and my personal favorite - the Earned Income Credit.

I hate to admit it, but America wants Socialism.  The politicians promise it, and we elect them.  We act surprised when they force it down our throats against our vocal opposition, but then we vote the same folks (or their identical twins) back into office.

The bailout is particularly troublesome.  Opposition to the first bailout (TARP) was incredibly vocal, but the politicians passed the plan anyway.  Now, the second bailout is twice as large and the opposition is much quieter.  Why?  We don't care.  We've given up.  The first time is an outrage, and second time is just "business as usual."  The numbers are so incredibly large that we can't even fathom them.  If $700 billion is okay, than $1.5 trillion is just another drop in the bucket, right?


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Reply #77 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 10:23am
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Here's a 15 year old Calvin and Hobbes comic strip that explains the economic crisis we live in today:

  

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Reply #78 - Feb 13th, 2009 at 4:46pm
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I think that comic only describes about 5% our economic crisis.
  
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Reply #79 - Feb 14th, 2009 at 2:34pm
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As the Obama administration pushes through Congress its $800 billion deficit-spending economic stimulus plan, the American public is largely unaware that the true deficit of the federal government already is measured in trillions of dollars, and in fact its $65.5 trillion in total obligations exceeds the gross domestic product of the world.


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"Truthfully," Williams pointed out, "there is no Social Security 'lock-box.' There are no funds held in reserve today for Social Security and Medicare obligations that are earned each year. It's only a matter of time until the public realizes that the government is truly bankrupt and no taxes are being held in reserve to pay in the future the Social Security and Medicare benefits taxpayers are earning today."


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Reply #80 - Feb 16th, 2009 at 12:56pm
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Reply #81 - Feb 16th, 2009 at 4:01pm
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We are earning that pay?  I thought I was being forced to pay for other people and to a system that didn't care about me.

Whodda thunk?!

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Reply #82 - Mar 6th, 2009 at 12:09am
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There's just too much news to post for this thread. It's all very sobering to see people praying to the obamassiah still.  You can still read the praise and see delighted looks of the media when they speak of him, as the country spends it's way into oblivion.
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Reply #83 - Mar 19th, 2009 at 1:15am
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The Federal Reserve sharply stepped up its efforts to bolster the economy on Wednesday, announcing that it would pump an extra $1 trillion into the financial system by purchasing Treasury bonds and mortgage securities.



Unbelievable. Our money will mean nothing if Bernake keeps this up. On the minor plus side, this should lower mortgage rates in the next month or 2 at a time im prolly gonna get a house. Now how long I get to stay in said house until our currency goes kaput, who knows.

  

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Reply #84 - Mar 19th, 2009 at 6:47am
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In short, the Chinese weren't buying our debt, so the Federal Reserve did it for us.


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Reply #85 - Mar 21st, 2009 at 3:36pm
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"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy
out of freedom.  What one person receives without working for, another
person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to
anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody
else.  When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work
because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other
half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is
going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of
any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 - 2005



This has never been more true than it is today.


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Reply #86 - Mar 21st, 2009 at 5:32pm
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I love that quote.

This is truly a dark day if obama follows through with this.  Goodbye capitalism. 

Hello communism.
  

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Reply #87 - Mar 23rd, 2009 at 6:54pm
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We all know the economy has gone to Hell in a hand-basket, but it can be quite difficult to figure out just how each piece of the "crisis" is interconnected.  I came across this nifty five minute video that simply articulates the overall problem and how each component affects the other.  It's a good watch!


http://vimeo.com/3261363


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Reply #88 - Mar 23rd, 2009 at 11:35pm
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Very nice find bob!  Now he needs to do one on what the government is doing to "fix" it by screwing the country over in the long term. he also needed to talk more about CDS, there's more to it than mere insurance against mortgages defaulting. Very cool introduction to the problem, though, i forwarded it around.
  

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Reply #89 - May 3rd, 2009 at 8:12pm
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China has 'canceled US credit card': lawmaker

WASHINGTON (AFP) — China, wary of the troubled US economy, has already "canceled America's credit card" by cutting down purchases of debt, a US congressman said Thursday.

China has the world's largest foreign reserves, believed to be mostly in dollars, along with around 800 billion dollars in US Treasury bonds, more than any other country.

But Treasury Department data shows that investors in China have sharply curtailed their purchases of bonds in January and February.

Representative Mark Kirk, a member of the House Appropriations Committee and co-chair of a group of lawmakers promoting relations with Beijing, said China had "very legitimate" concerns about its investments.

"It would appear, quietly and with deference and politeness, that China has canceled America's credit card," Kirk told the Committee of 100, a Chinese-American group.

"I'm not sure too many people on Capitol Hill realize that this is now happening," he said.

The Republican lawmaker said that China was justified in concerns about returns from finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which were bailed out by the US government due to the financial crisis.

Kirk said he was the first member of Congress to tour the Bureau of Public Debt, which trades bonds, and was alarmed at how much debt was being bought by the US Federal Reserve due to absence of foreign investors.

"There will come a time where the lack of Chinese participation may have a significant impact," Kirk said.

"We should track that, because up until last month they were the number one provider of currency to the United States and now they're gone."

With China's economy also hit by the global economic crisis, Premier Wen Jiabao has openly voiced concern about the status of his country's investments in the United States.

China has also floated replacing the dollar as the key international currency with a basket of units bringing in the euro, sterling and yen.
  

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