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Reply #60 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:28am
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This might help you guys who carry concealed.  There have been a few changes to the laws...be informed!

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSP_Legal_Update_No._86_2_336854_7.pdf

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Reply #61 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:56pm
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I wasn't aware of how a CPL could carry non-concealed pretty much anywhere, bypassing both "banned zone" lists.  That's an interesting loophole.  Thanks Stewie!


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Reply #62 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 8:02pm
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Yep, I also had a buddy stopped by a county officer who said a CPL holder couldn't open carry.

I knew that didn't sound right, so that's where I found this nifty summary.

And ya, that bypass is amazingly interesting.  However, if a place still forbids weapons, who have to abide...such as schools.  However with schools you can still carry in your vehicle.

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Reply #63 - Nov 28th, 2011 at 9:40pm
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Mich. obtains maximum CPL reciprocity
39 states with CPL laws will accept MI licenses

Updated: Monday, 28 Nov 2011, 9:20 PM EST
Published : Monday, 28 Nov 2011, 8:38 PM EST

LANSING, Mich. (WOOD) - Michigan has obtained full reciprocity with every state that has a concealed pistol license (CPL) law, according to the Michigan Attorney General's Office.

The Attorney General's Office announced in a release on Monday that it had reached reciprocity agreements with 39 states, meaning that every other state that has a concealed carry law will accept a Michigan CPL permit. In addition, Michigan will accept the permits from each of the other 39 states.

Michigan is the only state to have ever obtained maximum reciprocity.

"The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental freedom enshrined in our Constitution," said Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette in the release. "I am proud to be an aggressive defender of our Second Amendment freedoms."

Schuette reminded Michigan CPL holders to follow the respective laws of each state they visit and said that CPL holders from other states were responsible for following Michigan concealed carry regulations when in the state.

One of the most significant recent changes in reciprocity was achieved when Wisconsin enacted reciprocity on Nov. 1, which is an important move for Michigan CPL holders from the Upper Peninsula.

Schuette also said that if any other states create CPL laws, the Attorney General's Office will work to obtain reciprocity with those states.

Michigan residents wishing to obtain a CPL must be at least 21 years old, have never been convicted of a felony, and passed a pistol training course, among other requirements.

Anyone who has a CPL and is carrying a concealed weapon must disclose this to police officers if they are stopped.

The states that share full reciprocity with Michigan are:

    Alabama
    Alaska
    Arizona
    Arkansas
    Colorado
    Delaware
    Florida
    Georgia
    Idaho
    Indiana
    Iowa
    Kansas
    Kentucky
    Louisiana
    Maine
    Mississippi
    Missouri
    Minnesota
    Montana
    Nebraska
    Nevada
    New Hampshire
    New Mexico
    North Carolina
    North Dakota
    Ohio
    Oklahoma
    Pennsylvania
    South Carolina
    South Dakota
    Tennessee
    Texas
    Utah
    Vermont [does not require permits for residents or nonresidents]
    Virginia, Washington
    West Virginia
    Wisconsin
    Wyoming

The total number of states with concealed carry laws is 40, including Michigan.
  

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Reply #64 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 4:12pm
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You beat me to it, Stewie.  I was just coming here to post that.  ;p


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Reply #65 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:35pm
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(...now, if we could only get national reciprocity!)


Not with States like CA, IL, NY, and our lovable DC.
  

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Reply #66 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 10:28pm
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Well, national reciprocity wouldn't be valid in states that do not offer "shall issue" CCW permits.  It would, however, mandate that licenses from any shall issue state would be valid in any other shall issue state.  It passed the House two weeks ago, but the bill is expected to die in the Senate.


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Reply #67 - Nov 30th, 2011 at 1:36pm
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I received my CPL a few months ago and planned to take a honeymoon trip to Tennessee. Since I was going to the Smokey mountains where there are bears and even more scary, hillbillies, I wanted to carry. Of course I got pulled over in Indiana. It was my first time getting pulled over with my CPL and I remembered to notify the officer that I have a CPL and the pistol is in the vehicle. He casually said "ok." Luckily he realized that I was on my honeymoon and wrote me a warning. The CPL probably helped out too because he knew that I was educated by knowing that I could travel through those states legally.
(BTW: Do you have to tell the office that you have a CPL if the pistol is not in the vehicle?)

While in Tennessee, I had a slight breakdown and took my truck to the local auto repair shop in the mountains. It was kind of scary like something out of a horror movie. There were about seven dirty guys that looked like they hadn't seen a woman in about a month and the shop was basically a junk yard. I had my wife with me so I was feeling a bit protective. Having my pistol with me was comforting. It all turned out fine and the people were really kind.
  
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Reply #68 - Nov 30th, 2011 at 10:19pm
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Disclosure rules vary by state, but in Michigan, you must disclose that you have a CCW permit regardless of whether or not you're carrying.

I was hit by a drunk driver several years back and was carrying at the time.  The police officer was totally cool about it.  Apparently, it's common enough these days that officers don't really care.


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Reply #69 - Dec 7th, 2011 at 11:50am
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My uncle from Denver told me that his son was pulled over and the officer asked to see his gun. He looked it over and complimented him on his Kimber compact then sent him on his way.
  
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Reply #70 - Dec 7th, 2011 at 12:58pm
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That's when I make a call to a lawyer and the press and file suit for an illegal stop!

At the very least, ask the officer to be censured for improper use police computer networks.

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Reply #71 - Dec 7th, 2011 at 8:23pm
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I doubt the stop was directly related to the guy having a CCW.  It was the end of the conversation, not the beginning.


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Reply #72 - Dec 15th, 2011 at 11:11am
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Hey, are any of you guys interested in going to the gun show in Grand Rapids this weekend?  The Grand Rapids show is usually the best on in the state, and a rift between the show sponsor and the hosting facility is going to make this the last big show.

Be a part of history!  We'd be heading out around 10:00am Saturday morning, and admission is usually around $5.00 per person.


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Reply #73 - Dec 15th, 2011 at 2:50pm
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Sadly I cannot make it as I will be protecting Laura from her crazy family at her Christmas party.

Bring me back something nice!

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Reply #74 - Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:25am
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New toys!

A family member was looking at liquidating his firearms collection.  Meredith and I chipped in and bought a couple guns.  Here is Meredith's purchase:



She bought a Henry Golden Boy.  It's a beautiful tube-fed lever-action .22LR with a hexagonal barrel.  This particular model commemorates the centennial birthday of the Boy Scouts.  It's a beautiful gun and a fine shooter.




I bought something a bit more modern.  You can never have too many AR-15s, so I picked up this beauty.  It's a Doublestar Arms lower receiver with a Rock River Arms flat-top upper receiver and an 18" barrel.  This model is built in a very similar configuration to my Bushmaster AR15, so I think this is going to be my "project gun" for 3 Gun competitions.  I'll likely keep the lower receiver and stock intact and replace the upper receiver with one of these...

http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=14_24&products_id=397

Sadly, this purchase will have to wait until I buy a new semi-automatic shotgun.  My trusty pump-action Remington 870 is just too slow for competitive use.


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