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Reply #180 - Apr 16th, 2007 at 9:29am
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Funny thing is, every time they extract more proteins, they are getting less and less, which shows that out of its environment, the tissue is degrading even faster. 68 million years... ha! I bet its about 5 thousand or so
  

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Reply #181 - Apr 16th, 2007 at 12:50pm
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Also how do they know that a bird didn't land there and deposit some DNA material?  Look at the proteins...they're similar to birds!  Maybe they are birds? Ooooo.

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Reply #182 - Apr 16th, 2007 at 4:02pm
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same argument that chimps are 95% similiar to man, ugh
  

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Reply #183 - Apr 19th, 2007 at 4:26pm
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070418/sc_livescience/worldsfirsttreerecon...


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Earth's oldest known tree stood nearly 30 feet tall and looked like a modern palm, a new reconstruction shows.

Workers uncovered hundreds of upright stumps of the 385 million-year-old tree more than a century ago, after a flash flood in Gilboa, New York uncovered them, but little else was known about the tree’s appearance.

Then, in 2004, scientists unearthed a 400-pound fossilized top—or crown—of the same genus a few miles away. The following summer, the same team discovered fragments of a 28-foot trunk. Piecing together stump, trunk and crown now reveals what the full tree looked like for the first time.

“These were very big trees,” said study team member William Stein, a paleobotanist at the State University of New York at Binghamton.

“Our reconstruction shows them to be a lot longer and much more treelike than any of the reconstructions before,” Stein told LiveScience. “I don’t think any of us dared think of them being quite that big.”






Pre-Flood tree! Thats all I got out of the article! Wonder why they had to say "upright stumps" instead of just stumps. Odd.
  

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Reply #184 - Apr 19th, 2007 at 4:29pm
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Amazing what you can do in photoshop and with the imagination.  This is what we think a tree looks like...this is what our artists tell us early man looked like.

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Reply #185 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 6:59am
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early man? ... i thought that was just wes's mom after she shaved
  
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Reply #186 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 9:28am
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Something like your avatar, I'd imagine
  

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Reply #187 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 10:40am
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Zing!

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Reply #188 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 10:43am
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zing...the sound of wes's new jewelry getting caught in his "significant others" prince albert
  
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Reply #189 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 7:44pm
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Gene study shows chimps more diverse than humans

By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor Fri Apr 20, 4:23 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - They may all be black and hairy and they may all eat and act in much the same way, but chimpanzees from different parts of Africa are genetically more diverse than all of humanity, researchers reported on Friday.

Experts have long marveled that older ideas of race are not reflected in human DNA. Genetic diversity is more pronounced within population groups than between them, with only a few gene differences accounting for the wide variations seen in eye, skin and hair color across humanity.

So animals all about the same size and color and showing few behavioral differences must be even more genetically identical, right?

Wrong, says Molly Przeworski, assistant professor of human genetics at the University of Chicago.

Her team looked at the DNA of the three designated populations of chimpanzees in Africa -- the eastern, western and central populations, designated by some researchers as sub-species of the chimpanzee.

They found that a western chimpanzee has more differences, genetically, from an eastern chimp than any one human being has from another.

"It is the first genetic confirmation that they are distinct populations," Przeworski said in a telephone interview. "I stay away from the word 'subspecies'."

The study, done with experts at the Broad Institute at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and at Arizona State University, is interesting in its own right, but also sheds light on human origins, Przeworski said.

"This gives us a working model of how human evolution might have proceeded," she said.

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Millions of years ago in Africa, ancient remains indicate that several species of pre-humans emerged and lived perhaps side-by-side. Chimpanzees, the closest genetic living relative to human beings, may be undergoing changes similar to those that drove human evolution.

Przeworski's team also looked at bonobos, a separate species of chimpanzee. The chimpanzee genome differs from the bonobo genome by about 0.3 percent, which is one-fourth the distance between humans and chimps, they found.

And yet bonobos are very different from the common chimpanzee. They are smaller, much gentler and known for their frequent sexual interactions.

The differences among the three common chimpanzee species are smaller but still significant. And they reflect geographic barriers, said Celine Becquet, a graduate student who did the analysis for Przeworski.

"We think most of this separation is genuine, a long-term consequence of geographic isolation," Becquet said.

One major barrier between the populations is the Congo River. "Chimps don't swim," Becquet said. "For them, water provides a very effective border."

Writing in the Public Library of Sciences journal PLoS Genetics, the researchers say they estimate that bonobos, which live south of the Congo River, split off from the ancestors of modern chimpanzees about 800,000 years ago.

Western chimps appear to have separated from central and eastern chimpanzees about 500,000 years ago and central and eastern chimps would have divided from one another about 250,000 years ago.

The interest is more than academic, Przeworski said, noting that all chimpanzees are a threatened species.

"It means we have to protect three separate habitats, all threatened, instead of just one," she said.


Hmm isn't this interesting.  I believe this doctor wants us to own black again since they are a "subspecies".  I like how she says she wants to stay away from that word.  Ya because using that word means that there are people more "evolved" than others and therefore are "better".

Also this finding shoots more holes into man and ape being very closely the same in DNA.

As well as showing that man would have had his chances of finding a mate cut in 1/3 according to her research.  That means man could not have interbred with the other two SUBSPECIES and would have had to wait who knows how long for another chimp to evolve to him or her.

Ya...evolution is the right answer...good job there scientists...way to keep struggling with a concept that makes no sense and yet attack anyone who questions it as a lunatic.  You're right...two organism evolved at the same time and liked each other so much they had kids and then there ancestors evolved two more organisms at the same time to mate their way up to us.  Yep...nothing crazy about that!

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Reply #190 - Apr 24th, 2007 at 12:17pm
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Scientists exploring a mine have uncovered a natural Sistine chapel showing not religious paintings, but incredibly well preserved images of sprawling tree trunks and fallen leaves that once breathed life into an ancient rainforest.

Replete with a diverse mix of extinct plants, the 300-million-year-old fossilized forest is revealing clues about the ecology of Earth’s first rainforests . The discovery and details of the forest are published in the May issue of the journal Geology.

“We’re looking at one instance in time over a large area. It’s literally a snapshot in time of a multiple square mile area,” said study team member Scott Elrick of the Illinois State Geological Survey (ISGS).

Forest find

Over millions of years as sediments and plant material pile up, layer upon layer, the resulting bands become time indicators with the newest, youngest layer on the top and the oldest layer at the bottom. Typically geologists peel away a vertical slice of rocky material to look at material, including fossils, over a period of time.


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A reconstruction of the ancient forest showed that like today’s rainforests, it had a layered structure with a mix of plants now extinct: Abundant club mosses stood more than 130-feet high, towering over a sub-canopy of tree ferns and an assortment of shrubs and tree-sized horsetails that looked like giant asparagus.

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The scientists think a major earthquake about 300 million years ago caused the region to drop below sea level where it was buried in mud. They estimate that within a period of months the forest was buried, preserving it “forever.”

“Some of these tree stumps have been covered geologically speaking in a flash,” Elrick said.


Sigh, there is so much proof for a global flood its not even funny. Take out their silly millions of years, and you have just another spot of ancient plants preserved by some mud flow from the flood. Also, I will remind you that coal and oil come from the remains of plants (peat, etc) that are subjected to pressure. Now I ask you... What would create intense pressure, and also create a muddy environment that would preserve some plants as fossils.... How about water covering the earth at a depth of a mile or 2!?  I would say that much water might weigh enough to do the trick. Don't forget 75% of the earth's surface is sedimentary rock, which means deposited by WATER!

Scientists would be wise to revisit the scientific method and realize that evolution and a 5 billion year old earth is fantasy and requires an extremely religious person to believe it. Let's make evolution a religion too, shall we? While we are at it lets remove it from our science books and just teach what is provable. I also think creation should be kept out too, because that is a belief as well. Just teach science for crying out loud!

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Reply #192 - Apr 24th, 2007 at 11:15pm
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Ok I am going to get a running start off of mount everest, that will get me there! Hopefully gravity will turn off when I jump!
  

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Reply #193 - Apr 24th, 2007 at 11:29pm
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Hey it might...since there are no absolutes...gravity is just trying to oppress you with its "intolerance".

Getting to the real issue this is like the difference between porn and sex.  You can have fun looking at it...but it's no where close to actually experiencing the real thing (from what I hear of course).  We are too busy trying to bring "democracy" to the planet that we don't care about anything else.  We find no value in our space exploration because we're too busy spending money on more important things...like bridges to no where, the mating habits of halibut, what makes the homeless smell, and how often the elderly masturbate (that last one is actually real).  Remember in the days (well we can't but we can look back through other means) in the days of communism vs freedom and JFK "To the moon!" speech?  We did in 10 years what it's taken almost 50 years to go to another planet...and that clock is still ticking.  Want to solve global warming (if you believe it's man made)...why no colonize another planet or make all our factories go to Venus or Mars?  Why not want to develop new technology that will trickle down to the common people.  NASA has over 100,000 patents on technology that came just from developing Apollo...and the amount of technology we have in our current washing machines is the equivalent to what Apollo spaceships ran on and the sophification it had.

Why can't we make Congress watch Star Trek...the answer to all our problems lie in the stars.  Want world wide peace and tranquility?  Want to end racism and intolerance?  Want to develop some awesome technology that will actually make a difference and not using the same time and money on what makes stuff that comes out of some cat's butt make perfume smell like (yes also true)?  Then we should get serious on our space program and exploration.  For the past 50 years we have learned much, yes.  But we have applied it to nothing.  Computers keep getting better yes, but where did those advances first start?  With NASA and the conquest of space.  Now we just pay some scientists bookoo bucks to look out and go "ooo the pretty colors".  If God were to judge mankind on what it has done to advance itself, He would have to dig out the floor of Hell to make a very special place for us.

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Reply #194 - Apr 25th, 2007 at 8:26am
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sadly we don't have the level of technology available to make the trek (HA!) to the planet, let alone come back.  Sure we came a little ways in terms of computers/electronics but we still only use chemical propellants.  If we want to make the trip inside the lifespan of the pilots we need to make some huge breakthroughs.  And this is totally ignoring dust and radiation that will be encountered along the way.


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