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Reply #225 - May 21st, 2007 at 12:03pm
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Growing lined-up nanotubes over an area several centimetres square brings them closer to mass production (Image: Vesselin Shanov/UC)




Lined-up nanotubes that are 18mm high is a new record (Vesselin Shanov/UC)



A chemical catalyst that grows carbon nanotubes to unprecedented lengths could aid efforts to make super-strong cables from the molecules.

Carbon nanotubes are incredibly strong for their size, which makes them popular with material scientists trying to toughen up existing substances or develop new ones. They have been proposed as an ideal material for making the tether for a space elevator, for example.

But growing carbon nanotubes uniformly, and making sure they are the right size and shape, is difficult. Synthesising large numbers of nanotubes longer than a few millimetres is particularly hard.

Now researchers at Cincinnati University in Ohio, US, have grown lined up nanotubes a record-breaking 18 millimetres tall. They hope that the trick for synthesising them could accelerate the development of light and super-strong cables incorporating the nanotubes.

Aligned clumps
Researchers Vasselin Shanov and Mark Schulz created aligned clumps of multi-walled nanotubes, each 18 millimetres tall and 20 nanometres wide, over an irregular area roughly 10 centimetres by 7cm.

The team presented their results at a NASA-Rice University conference on growing nanotubes in Texas, US, this month. "There's no official competition for length," Shanov says, "but all the top groups in the world were there and acknowledged we have grown the longest aligned arrays."

Researchers have previous made nanotubes that are much longer - up to 4 cm long (see Record breaker). However, these can only be produced in very low numbers and are not in alignment. The previous best for synthesising aligned nanotubes is about 14 millimetres, over an area of about 1 square centimetre.

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The Cincinnati team used a process called chemical vapour deposition to make their lengthy nanotubes. Acetylene or ethylene gas was pumped into a furnace heated to over 1000°C. The furnace also contained a catalyst of an undisclosed composition and structure, which was mounted on a silicon wafer. The nanotubes grew on top of this catalyst-covered surface. The catalyst is currently being patented, hence the secrecy.

Shanov says the structure of the catalyst is key. "The crucial thing is we realised that not only the catalyst but also its support is important to stop the reaction being poisoned by unwanted carbon compounds," he says. "We've made a whole new structure."

Milo Shaffer at Imperial College, London, UK, works on integrating nanotubes into composite materials to make them stronger. He says producing large numbers of long, aligned nanotubes is an attractive prospect: "In principal, they are not entangled and [should be] easier to use."

Shaffer also has little doubt the nanotubes could be used to make strong rope. "But there's a question over how long [the nanotubes] need to be," he says. "Although there is a feeling that longer would be better for fibres, it's not really been tested."


Word to your mother.  I have a feeling that carbon nanotubes will have a bigger impact on our society than plastics did in the 40's and 50's.

Forget the space elevator.  I want lightweight, virtually impenetrable body armor!

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Reply #226 - May 21st, 2007 at 1:34pm
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yeah a space elevator would be great, you could go up...then down!  Then in 2 months when NASA loses intrest we can spend trillions more on the next big thing!  Yeah yeah I see the glass as half empty...
  
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Reply #227 - May 21st, 2007 at 3:23pm
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Just like Wes's mom.  Everyone goes up and down a couple times, then the entire team loses interest.

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Reply #228 - May 21st, 2007 at 6:24pm
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I think the space elevator would be safer though.  If you loose people you know that they either plummeted to their deaths or shot out through space...with Wes' mom you'd have to check every fat fold...scientists have explored more of the ocean floor and space combined more than those fat folds!

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Reply #229 - May 22nd, 2007 at 2:04pm
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Visitors to Kennedy Space Center in Florida recently poured into the Saturn V Center and curiously stepped up to a display. They watched as a small group of lab-coated experts surrounded an aluminum box about the size of a file cabinet. The air filled with cautious excitement as the box was slowly unbolted and carefully lowered, exposing the contents for the first time in decades.

With an eye toward the future, the experts were working on a piece of history. NASA had commissioned the team to inspect an umbilical connection from an Apollo-era spacecraft. The agency is seeking to tap the experience of past engineers as it develops Orion, the new crew exploration vehicle for the Constellation Program.

"We're looking at this device to help improve the design for the Orion vehicle, the next-generation manned space vehicle," said Damon Delap, mechanical engineer of NASA's Glenn Research Center in Cleveland. "We're learning from the past and can see that the former engineers did it very well, so we're looking to see what they did."

NASA engineers wanted to inspect an intact Apollo-era umbilical connection, which is used to provide communication, electrical and life support connections to the astronauts in the crew compartment. They were particularly interested in the umbilical release mechanism

But finding one was like looking for a needle in a haystack because, in the Apollo days, the umbilical was severed before the astronauts came back to Earth. A guillotine-like device cut through the all the tubes and wires between the command and service modules before the crew headed home.

"The service module had all the communication and life-sustaining equipment the crew needed (in space) and, before they came back through the atmosphere, the umbilical cord had to be detached," said Dan Catalano, Orion service mechanisms and pyrotechnics lead of Glenn Research Center.

A break finally came by chance when Catalano came across a family's vacation photos posted on the Internet. There he saw the happy family standing in front of the Apollo Command Modules at the Saturn V Complex. And behind them was an umbilical housing! The Apollo spacecraft on display, designated CSM 119, was the backup for the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project but never flew. What makes this artifact so significant to the Constellation Program are the housing components located between the command and service modules.

After finding the umbilical housing -- the only one that exists intact in the United States -- NASA spent many months coordinating and planning to prepare for the inspection project. Orion Integration Engineer Tracy Gill of NASA's Kennedy, Delap, Catalano and Lamoreaux gathered at the Saturn V Center to inspect the Apollo-age capsule because of its similarity to the Orion crew compartment.

A few umbilical drawings found at the National Archives in Fort Worth, Texas, gave the engineers a "road map" to what they were seeking. "It was very worthwhile to do this and made the drawings come to life," Dunlap said.

Catalano and Dunlap worked with surgical precision to remove the housing, sometimes using only their gloved fingertips for tools. Every action was photographed, videotaped and documented. They went back and forth checking out the reference materials on a table next to the modules to be sure they were on the right track.

"Seeing the actual housing and all its contents filled in the gaps of the information we needed to take back and work on," said Catalano. "We could see the pieces that were missing in the drawings; we found them through our hands-on inspection."

The goal for the new Crew Exploration Vehicle connection is reusability. The newer design for Orion will not have the same number of tubes and wires because of today's technology, but a lot of the information that comes from this inspection will be combined with the old design that worked for the Apollo days. However, the next-generation crew module will be larger and more technologically advanced.

"It was very important to see how they built the Apollo mechanism because...well, it worked many times and instead of reinventing the wheel...it's good to start with something we know worked," said Lamoreaux. "It was a very valuable experience to come down here. I can use (the findings) to improve my design."

At the end of the inspection, the team members dexterously reassembled the housing, leaving it as they found it. They agreed that a lot will be learned from the trials, tribulations, successes and failures of the Apollo engineers, giving the "new guys" a foundation to build the new Orion vehicle even better.

When asked what it was like to have a chance to work on a piece of history, Catalano said: "For me, it's a very big highlight. I grew up in the Apollo age and used to watch all the launches. I was a product of that era. To be able to come and actually touch the hardware is a real thrill for me."

Although ownership of the Apollo Command and Service Module was transferred by NASA to the Smithsonian Institution in Washington in 1977, it is on permanent display at the Apollo/Saturn V Center at Kennedy.


You'd think someone would've documented that technology!  Either way, I bet the engineers had a blast seeing all that old technology in such pristine shape!

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Reply #230 - May 23rd, 2007 at 8:27pm
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I'd love to see them even attempt to prove this hogwash!

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Primitive fish already may have possessed the genetic wiring needed to grow hands and feet well before the appearance of the first animals with limbs roughly 365 million years ago, scientists said on Wednesday.
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University of Chicago researchers were seeking clues behind a momentous milestone in the evolution of life on Earth -- when four-legged amphibians that descended from fish first colonized dry land. These first amphibians paved the way for reptiles, birds and mammals, including people.

"What we're interested in here is the transition from fin to limb -- a great evolutionary event," palaeontologist Neil Shubin, an author of the research with colleagues Marcus Davis and Randall Dahn, said in a telephone interview.

They studied one of the most primitive types of fish on Earth -- the long-snouted paddlefish Polyodon spathula -- and found the fish that predated the first land vertebrates may have possessed genetic underpinnings for limb development.

"What we found is that aspects of the genetic program and the patterns of gene activity that serve to make hands and feet are actually found in the fins of fish -- not just any fish but in primitive living fish," Shubin added.

The research was published in the journal Nature.

Paddlefish, found in freshwater locales in the United States and China, are early "ray-finned" fish. Their fleshy fins are structurally similar to fish predating the first land creatures. Their fins contain cartilage thought to correspond to the upper arm bone of land vertebrates, Shubin said.

While paddlefish are ancient, they did not exist at the time of the vertebrate conquest of land, but are seen as an evolutionary offshoot of some fish around at that time.

GENE PATTERNS

The researchers looked at so-called Hox genes -- which play an important role in limb development -- in paddlefish pectoral fins. They inserted molecular markers to track where these genes are active in the fin, and found the activity pattern resembled what these genes do in limbs of land dwellers.

The findings run counter to the theory that the appearance of limbs was a novel evolutionary occurrence requiring great genetic changes to enable the first limbed creatures to adapt to their new environments of streams and swamps.

The first forests sprouted up roughly 385 million years ago, with towering trees resembling modern-day palms, helping give rise to new freshwater ecosystems.

Shubin and other scientists last year announced the discovery of the remains of a creature called Tiktaalik dating back to 375 million years ago and seen as a missing evolutionary link between fish and the first land vertebrates.

It had fish-like characteristics, but it boasted a skull, neck, ribs and parts of limbs resembling the first amphibians such as Acanthostega that arose 5 to 10 million years later.

"So it seems like you had the genetic tool kit (for limbs) for a long period of time," Shubin said. "And then, when the new ecosystems appear at around the time of Tiktaalik and slightly before, that's when forms started to use that to make true fingers and toes and stuff like that."


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PARIS (AFP) - Twelve footprints found in the bed of an ancient lake in northern Spain have thrown up the first compelling evidence that some land dinosaurs could swim, researchers reported Thursday.
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The 15-metre (48.75-feet) -long track in sandstone "strongly suggests a floating animal clawing the sediment" as it swam against a current, they say.

The swimmer is believed to have been a therapod -- the vast family of carnivorous dinos that included the mighty Tyrannosaurus rex -- which lived in the Early Cretaceous, some 125 million years ago.

The trackway in the former lakebed consists of six asymmetrical pairs of two or three S-shaped scratch marks. Each set measures some 50 centimetres (20 inches) in length and 15 cms (six inches) wide.

The prints paint a beguiling picture of a large, buoyant dinosaur whose clawed feet raked the sediment as it swam in a depth of some 3.2 metres (10.4 feet) of water, according to the paper, which appears in the June issue of the US journal Geology.

Ripple marks on the surface of the site indicate the dinosaur was swimming against a current, struggling to maintain a straight path.

"The dinosaur swam with alternating movements of the two hind limbs, a pelvic paddle swimming motion," said co-author Loic Costeur of the Laboratory for Planetology and Geodynamics at the University of Nantes, western France.

"It is a swimming style of amplified walking, with movements similar to those used by modern bipeds, including aquatic birds."

The question as to whether dinosaurs could swim has been debated for years.

Until now, no firm evidence had come to light, just mysterious "ghost traces" at various sites.

Asked by AFP to speculate as to which dinosaur may have made the tracks, Costeur cautiously pointed to the allosaurus -- a bipedal carnivorous dinosaur with a large skull balanced by a long, heavy tail. Some allosauruses could reach more than 10 metres (32 feet) in length.

The discovery opens up new avenues in dinosaur research, said Costeur.

Computer modelling will be able to reveal more about anatomy and biomechanics, "as well as our view of the ecological niches in which they lived."

The Virgen del Campo track is located at the Cameros Basin in La Rioja, at the site of a delta to a former lake. The basin is already known as a treasure trove of footprints of walking theropods.

Lead author is Ruben Ezquerra of the Foundation for Palaeontological Patrimony in La Rioja.


So you're telling me...after a supposed 650 million years we are able to see dino footprints at the bottom of a lake?  Gee I thought some "geologic column" would cover them up telling us for sure that those footprint were made 650 million years ago?  And of course there's no way water could even touch those footprints...at a bottom of a lake...for 650 million years!

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Reply #232 - May 24th, 2007 at 2:15pm
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That's just retarded.

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Reply #233 - Jun 7th, 2007 at 1:32pm
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• Scientists want to recreate conditions that existed nanoseconds after the Big Bang
• The tests involve smashing particles together at high speed
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GENEVA, Switzerland (Reuters) -- First tests in a scientific project aimed at solving mysteries of the universe and the "Big Bang" which created it have been put off from November to late April or early May next year, an official said on Wednesday.

James Gillies, spokesman for the CERN particle research center near Geneva, said the delay was due to a series of minor problems with some elements in the vast array of equipment.

"We now intend to make the tests, which will allow the technicians to drive the machine, in late April or early May and then to go into full start up as planned by next summer," Gillies said.

The project at CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research which straddles the Swiss and French border, involves smashing particles together at high speed in a channel around an oval-shaped 17 mile underground tunnel.

Researchers on the project, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), say this will recreate in miniature the conditions which existed nanoseconds after the Big Bang some 15 billion years ago and should allow them to see what happened next.

CERN says the experiment will also probe for knowledge about "dark matter" -- the invisible mass of energy that is believed to make up 96 percent of the universe.

The LHC project, involving scientists from CERN's 26 member countries and many other nations in gathering and processing the data from many billions of particle collisions every day, has been in construction for 15 years.

It is expected to be in operation for another 15.

At the center of the experiment, which cost many billions of dollars to set up, are vast magnets in cathedral-size caverns around the tunnel some 300 feet underground.

Originally two weeks of relative low-speed testing of the circuit had been planned for November, just before CERN closes down its particle accelerators for four months to save costly energy during the winter.

But smaller magnets burst during pressure tests at the end of March, and unscheduled work resulting from that incident has meant there would not be sufficient time for the preliminary "driving" tests before the shutdown, Gillies said.


I bet you money that these guys tried to fire it off and all that they did when they opened it to see if they made the universe was a note that said "See Me after class. - God".  It's going to be funny when they realize this has no chance of working next year and they spent all that money on it.

Also they're going to smash particles together (which they've already done before in supercolliders) but aren't they going to have to explain where those particles came from in the nothingness that existed before?

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Reply #234 - Jun 10th, 2007 at 10:27am
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Fossilized dinosaurs often have wide-open mouths, heads thrown back and tails that curve toward the head. Paleontologists have long assumed the dinosaurs died in water and the currents drifted the bones into that position, or that rigor mortis or drying muscles, tendons and ligaments contorted the limbs.

"I'm reading this in the literature and thinking, 'This doesn't make any sense to me as a veterinarian,'" said Cynthia Marshall Faux, a veterinarian-turned-paleontologist at the Museum of the Rockies.

Faux and a colleague say brain damage and asphyxiation are the more likely culprits.

A classic example of the posture, which has puzzled paleontologists for ages, is the 150-million-year-old Archaeopteryx, the first-known example of a feathered dinosaur and the proposed link between dinosaurs and present-day birds.

"Virtually all articulated specimens of Archaeopteryx are in this posture, exhibiting a classic pose of head thrown back, jaws open, back and tail reflexed backward and limbs contracted," said Kevin Padian, professor of integrative biology and curator in the Museum of Paleontology at the University of California, Berkeley. He Faux (pronounced "Fox") published their findings this week in the journal Paleobiology.

Some animals found in this posture may have suffocated in ash during a volcanic eruption, consistent with the fact that many fossils are found in ash deposits, Faux and Padian said. But many other possibilities exist, including disease, brain trauma, severe bleeding, thiamine deficiency or poisoning.
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"This puts a whole new light on the mode of death of these animals, and interpretation of the places they died in," Padian said. "This explanation gives us clues to interpreting a great many fossil horizons we didn't understand before and tells us something dinosaurs experienced while dying, not after dying."

Also, because the posture has been seen only in dinosaurs, pterosaurs and mammals, which are known or suspected to have had high metabolic rates, it appears to be a good indicator that the animal was warm blooded, as other research has suggested. Animals with lower metabolic rates, such as crocodiles and lizards, use less oxygen and so might have been less traumatically affected by hypoxia during death throes, Padian said.

Padian acknowledged that many dinosaur fossils show signs that the animal died in water and the current tugged the body into an arched position, but currents cannot explain all the characteristics of an opisthotonic pose.


COME ON SCIENTISTS!!!  IF THIS ISN'T PROOF OF THE FLOOD THEN YOU ARE "WILLFULLY IGNORANT"!!!

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Reply #235 - Jun 10th, 2007 at 8:14pm
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OMG Thats ridiculous!!!! OPEN YOUR EYES SCIENTISTS

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NO WAY?!  That is so gay...people need just to leave well enough alone.  Where were you when it was stolen?  If it's at the same place as the last time...stop going there!!!

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Reply #237 - Jun 11th, 2007 at 9:42am
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actually it was parked outside my apartment... so one of my neighbors is a chump.
  

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Reply #238 - Jun 11th, 2007 at 10:57am
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you know anyone with shifty eyes?   If so, it was them!

If that fails, I bet pat stole it!
  
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Reply #239 - Jun 11th, 2007 at 1:32pm
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I lost my Hovind-style Jesus fish when my car was rear-ended by a satanic heathen.  He did it intentionally!

Okay, maybe he was just higher than a kite, but that's beside the point.

Anyway, I need to order another one, but I'm not even sure if they sell them anymore.

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