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Reply #300 - Sep 12th, 2007 at 6:11pm
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A new analysis of peer-reviewed literature reveals that more than 500 scientists have published evidence refuting at least one element of current man-made global warming scares. More than 300 of the scientists found evidence that 1) a natural moderate 1,500-year climate cycle has produced more than a dozen global warmings similar to ours since the last Ice Age and/or that 2) our Modern Warming is linked strongly to variations in the sun's irradiance. "This data and the list of scientists make a mockery of recent claims that a scientific consensus blames humans as the primary cause of global temperature increases since 1850," said Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Dennis Avery.

Other researchers found evidence that 3) sea levels are failing to rise importantly; 4) that our storms and droughts are becoming fewer and milder with this warming as they did during previous global warmings; 5) that human deaths will be reduced with warming because cold kills twice as many people as heat; and 6) that corals, trees, birds, mammals, and butterflies are adapting well to the routine reality of changing climate.
  

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Reply #301 - Sep 12th, 2007 at 6:25pm
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That is an awesome article, Briney.

That shows you that science has become a political tool.  If you submit a paper to these magazines and no one pays attention to your research that means your theories are wrong.  That is a very important aspect to consider when you hear evolutionists say that "not one peer submitted paper has ever been excepted".  Ya it's because anything that looks down on anything a majority of scientists agree to is wrong.

I could title my paper "The Hollow Earth Proof!" and in the paper I could show photos of a hollow earth that I have taken and video of me drilling down and finding inner-planetary beings and shaking hands with them.  Becuase of my title, I wouldn't even get considered to be published let alone anyone taking any of my data seriously.

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Reply #302 - Sep 12th, 2007 at 8:21pm
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It's all Photoshop and hacks!

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Reply #303 - Sep 13th, 2007 at 9:25am
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Global Warming killed my family...with a knife.


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Reply #304 - Sep 20th, 2007 at 3:58pm
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WASHINGTON - Velociraptor, the terrifying predator made famous in the movie "Jurassic Park," appears to have had feathers in real life.
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A close study of a velociraptor forearm found in Mongolia shows the presence of quill knobs, bumps on the bone where the feathers anchor, researchers report in Friday's edition of the journal Science.

Dinosaurs are believed to be ancestors to modern birds. Evidence of feathered dinosaurs has been found in recent years, and now velociraptor can be added to that list.

"Finding quill knobs on velociraptor ... means that it definitely had feathers. This is something we'd long suspected, but no one had been able to prove," Alan Turner, lead author on the study and a graduate student of paleontology at the American Museum of Natural History and at Columbia University in New York, said in a statement.

The velociraptor the researchers studied was about three feet tall and weighed about 30 pounds. The size of these animals was exaggerated in the movie.

It had short forelimbs, compared to a modern bird, the researchers said, indicating it would not have been able to fly, even though it had feathers.

The feathers may have been useful for display, to shield nests, for temperature control or to help it maneuver while running, they said.


You know what else you could call those bumps?  Bumps.  Did you happen to find any feathers around the fossil or imprints of feathers?  No?  Weird...it's almost as if these animals show no proof for the evolution of feathers.  Also why would they first grow feathers and not some form a wing device like a Pteryidacal?  Hmmm.

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Reply #305 - Sep 22nd, 2007 at 1:02am
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Good point.  What the heck is the value of feathers (in the traditional bird sense) if you can't fly?

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Reply #306 - Sep 27th, 2007 at 3:12pm
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We're loosing the evolution race people!!!

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Wine grape genes mapped

By JENNY BARCHFIELD, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 15 minutes ago

PARIS - Critics who praise the "complexity" of red Burgundy and Champagne are on target.
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A team of French and Italian researchers has mapped the genome of the pinot noir grape, used to make bubbly and many red wines from France's Burgundy region and around the world — and it has about 30,000 genes in its DNA. That's more than the human genome, which contains some 20,000 to 25,000 genes.

The team published its findings in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature, saying it identified the nearly half a billion chemical building blocks of the grape's DNA. Certain sequences of these building blocks form genes, like letters spelling words.

These discoveries won't make any immediate difference to wine drinkers worldwide. The pinot noir is the first grape — and first fruit — ever genetically mapped, and it would take years to apply this new knowledge to today's vines. But down the line, it could possibly lead to hardier grape varieties, more resistant to bugs and disease.

The team said its research had confirmed that the grape has an unusually high number of genes whose job it is to create flavor. More than 100 of its genes are dedicated to producing tannins and terpenes — compared to about 50 for other plants, said researcher Patrick Wincker.

He said the mapping of those flavor-producing genes could be a first step toward developing new flavors in wine by allowing scientists to breed different varieties to create precise new tastes.

But flavor also depends on external factors such as weather, microclimate, soil, size of the crop, age of the vines and the winemaker's art.

With so many flavor compounds potentially at play, these other factors become even more important, said Allen Meadows of burghound.com, a leading Burgundy critic who did not participate in the study.

Meadows said the research helps explain why wines made from pinot noir grapes have a huge variety of aromas and flavors.

"The research is genetic confirmation of what Burgundy and pinot noir lovers have known for centuries, which is that pinot noir is exquisitely sensitive to where and how it is grown," Meadows said. "Pinot-based wines produced in say Burgundy, while similar, are still distinctly different from those produced in California, Oregon or New Zealand."

In any case, Wincker said new flavors derived from genetic manipulation are years away and would likely be so subtle it would take a sophisticated palate to be able to appreciate them.

But he did not rule out the possibility that distinctive — and highly noticeable — new flavors might yet emerge.

"Anything can happen," Wincker said. "Biology doesn't always work out in the way you'd expect."

Identifying the genes grape plants use to defend themselves from mildew and insects would also allow researchers to breed new, more resistant varieties, Wincker said.

France's Agriculture Ministry, which helped fund the multimillion dollar project, hailed the team's findings. Agriculture Minister Michel Barnier said he hoped the findings would help in developing more environmentally friendly grape varieties.

Andre Barlier, assistant director of Viniflhor, a government-funded agency to support French wine, said it was laudable that the team's findings were made public so that researchers around the world can continue to work on them. But he said he doubted the genome map would change the way French vintners make wine.

"In France we are very conservative and we work according to traditional ways," Barlier said. "I don't think it will have an impact in the short term."

The pinot noir is also used to make wine in Oregon, California, New Zealand, France's Loire valley and other areas. But in Burgundy, the wine takes on the name of the vineyard or surrounding village — Chambolle-Musigny, for example. Champagne and other sparkling wines are traditionally made from chardonnay or pinot noir, or a mixture of the two along with smaller amounts of other grapes.

Scientists have already mapped the genome for rice and other crops, but this was the first time a fruit has been mapped, Wincker said. It took the team, based in France's national genetic-sequencing laboratory in the Paris suburb of Evry, nearly two years to complete.


Yes that is correct...grapes are now more evolved than us!  And I for one welcome our giant grape overlords!

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Reply #307 - Sep 27th, 2007 at 3:49pm
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God forbid they should ever be allowed to dry out a prune up.  We'd have to deal with the California Raisins all over again.



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Reply #308 - Sep 27th, 2007 at 4:26pm
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When my grandma died she left me her entire collection of CA Raisins...she had all of them...I am waiting to sell them when I become a cop and am hooked on crack and need a way to get money without robbing people....yet.

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Reply #309 - Oct 7th, 2007 at 7:16pm
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WASHINGTON - March 24, 2005 - For more than a century, the study of dinosaurs has been limited to fossilized bones. Now, researchers have recovered 70 million-year-old soft tissue, including what may be blood vessels and cells, from a Tyrannosaurus rex.

If scientists can isolate proteins from the material, they may be able to learn new details of how dinosaurs lived, said lead researcher Mary Higby Schweitzer of North Carolina State University.

"We're doing a lot of stuff in the lab right now that looks promising," she said in a telephone interview. But, she said, she does not know yet if scientists will be able to isolate dinosaur DNA from the materials.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7285683/

For the last bloody time... ITS NOT 70 MILLION YEARS OLD!

how the heck do you even believe tissue could survive that long!?! couple thousand years, tops.

  

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Reply #310 - Oct 8th, 2007 at 8:18am
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Personally, it looks to me like some dopey scientist dropped his fried chicken into a dino sample.

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Reply #311 - Oct 10th, 2007 at 1:50pm
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Texas set to open new canyon to public

By MICHELLE ROBERTS, Associated Press Writer Fri Oct 5, 10:21 PM ET

CANYON LAKE, Texas - Geologic time has a different meaning when it comes to Canyon Lake Gorge. You could say it dates to around the end of the Enron era.
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A torrent of water from an overflowing lake sliced open the earth in 2002, exposing rock formations, fossils and even dinosaur footprints in just three days. Since then, the canyon has been accessible only to researchers to protect it from vandals, but on Saturday it opens to its first public tour.

"It exposed these rocks so quickly and it dug so deeply, there wasn't a blade of grass or a layer of algae," said Bill Ward, a retired geology professor from the University of New Orleans who started cataloging the gorge almost immediately after the flood.

The mile-and-a-half-long gorge, up to 80 feet deep, was dug out from what had been a nondescript valley covered in mesquite and oak trees. It sits behind a spillway built as a safety valve for Canyon Lake, a popular recreation spot in the Texas Hill Country between San Antonio and Austin.

The reservoir was built in the 1960s to prevent flash flooding along the Guadalupe River and to assure the water supply for central Texas. The spillway had never been overrun until July 4, 2002, when 70,000 cubic feet of water gushed downhill toward the Guadalupe River for three days, scraping off vegetation and topsoil and leaving only limestone walls.

"Underneath us, it looks solid, but obviously it's not," said Tommie Streeter Rhoad of the Guadalupe Blanco River Authority, as she looked out over a cream-colored limestone crevasse.

The sudden exposure of such canyons is rare but not unprecedented. Flooding in Iowa in 1993 opened a limestone gorge behind a spillway at Corvalville Lake north of Iowa City, but that chasm, Devonian Fossil Gorge, is narrower and shallower than Canyon Lake Gorge.

Neither compares to the world's most famous canyon. It took water around 5 million to 6 million years to carve the Grand Canyon, which plunges 6,000 feet at its deepest point and stretches 15 miles at its widest.

The more modest Canyon Lake Gorge still displays a fault line and rock formations carved by water that seeped down and bubbled up for millions of years before the flooding.

Some of the canyon's rocks are punched with holes like Swiss cheese, and the fossils of worms and other ancient wildlife are everywhere. The rocks, typical of the limestone buried throughout central Texas, date back "111 million years, plus or minus a few hundred thousand years," Ward said.

Six three-toed dinosaur footprints offer evidence of a two-legged carnivore strolling along the water. The footprints were temporarily covered with sand to protect them as workers reinforced the spillway, but they'll be uncovered again eventually, Rhoad said.

The Guadalupe Blanco River Authority, which has a lease from the Army Corps of Engineers to manage the 64-acre Canyon Lake Gorge site, will begin offering limited public tours of the canyon Saturday, continuing year-round on the first Saturday of the month.

Early demand for the 3-hour tours is so high they are booked for at least six months. Rhoad said the authority hopes to train more docents so dates can be added.

Visitors will not be allowed to hike the canyon on their own because the brittle limestone is still breaking from the canyon walls.

Construction on a rim trail to overlook the canyon begins this winter. Officials hope to eventually build lookout points and an educational center.


I don't believe this article /sarcasm!  I mean, I didn't SEE it happen therefore it MUST have been formed over millions of years.  It's exactly like the Grand Canyon and we KNOW that formed over millions of years too.  There's just NO OTHER WAY this canyon could have formed!

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Reply #312 - Oct 10th, 2007 at 3:20pm
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So one canyon formed in three days, and the other absolutely had to have taken 5-6 million years?  I can't believe they could post both claims in the same article!

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The skeleton of what is believed to be a new dinosaur species—a 105-foot (32-meter) plant-eater that is among the largest dinosaurs ever found—has been uncovered in Argentina, scientists said Monday.

Scientists from Argentina and Brazil said the Patagonian dinosaur appears to represent a previously unknown species of Titanosaur because of the unique structure of its neck. They named it Futalognkosaurus dukei after the Mapuche Indian words for "giant" and "chief," and for Duke Energy Argentina, which helped fund the skeleton's excavation.

"This is one of the biggest in the world and one of the most complete of these giants that exist," said Jorge Calvo, director of the paleontology center at the National University of Comahue, Argentina. He was lead author of a study on the dinosaur published in the peer-reviewed Annals of the Brazilian Academy of Sciences.

Scientists said the giant herbivore walked Earth some 88 million years ago, during the late Cretaceous period.

Since the first bones were found on the banks of Lake Barreales in the Argentine province of Neuquén in 2000, paleontologists have dug up the dinosaur's neck, back region, hips, and the first vertebra of its tail.

"I'm pretty certain it's a new species," agreed Peter Mackovicky, associate curator for dinosaurs at Chicago's Field Museum, who was not involved with the discovery. "I've seen some of the remains of Futalognkosaurus, and it is truly gigantic."

Calvo said the neck alone must have been 56 feet (17 meters) long, and by studying the vertebrae, they figured the tail probably measured 49 feet (15 meters). The dinosaur reached more than 43 feet (13 meters) tall, and the excavated spinal column weighed about 9 tons when excavated. One neck vertebra alone measured more than 3 feet (a meter) high.

Jeff Wilson, an assistant professor of paleontology at the University of Michigan who was asked to review the finding, said he was impressed by the sheer amount of skeleton recovered.

"I should really try to underscore how incredible it is to have partial skeleton of something this size," Wilson said in telephone interview. "With these kind of bones you can't study them by moving them around on the table; you have to move around them yourself.

"It shows us the upper limit for dinosaur size," Wilson added. "There are some that are bigger, but they all top out around this size."

Patagonia also was home to the other two largest dinosaur skeletons found to date—Argentinosaurus, at around 115 feet (35 meters) long, and Puertasaurus reuili, 115 feet to 131 feet (40 meters)long. (See a photo gallery of Puertasaurus reuili.)

Comparison between the three herbivores, however, is difficult because scientists have only found few vertebrae of Puertasaurus, and while the skeleton of Futalognkosaurus is fairly complete, scientists have not uncovered any bones from its limbs.

North America's dinosaurs don't even compare in size, Mackovicky added in a phone interview. "Dinosaurs do get big here, but nothing near the proportions we see in South America."

The site where Futalognkosaurus was found has been a bonanza for paleontologists, yielding more than 1,000 specimens, including 240 fossil plants, 300 teeth, and the remains of several other dinosaurs.

"As far as I know, there is no other place in the world where there is such a large and diverse quantity of fossils in such small area. That is truly unique," said Alexander Kellner, a researcher with the Brazilian National Museum and co-author of the dinosaur's scientific description.

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WASHINGTON (AFP) - A leading scientific organization Thursday condemned as "racist" and "vicious" remarks by a Nobel Prize-winning US scientist who reportedly said black people are less intelligent than whites.
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The Washington-based Federation of American Scientists (FAS) said it was "outraged" by the remarks attributed to James Watson that appeared in Britain's Sunday Times Magazine at the weekend.

"It is tragic that one of the icons of modern science has cast such dishonor on the profession," said FAS president Henry Kelly.

"Dr. Watson chose to use his unique stature to promote personal prejudices that are racist, vicious and unsupported by science," he added, saying it was "a sad and revolting way to end a remarkable career."

Watson won the Nobel prize for medicine in 1962 for his part in discovering the structure of DNA.

The 79-year-old chancellor of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in New York state is in Britain to promote his new book "Avoid Boring People: Lessons From A Life In Science."

Watson told the Sunday Times he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours -- whereas all the testing says not really."

The British Museum in London revoked a invitation to Watson in the firestorm that followed the remarks, saying through a spokesman that his comments had "gone beyond the point of acceptable debate."


Whoa whoa whoa!  Are we going to start questioning our scientists now?!  These are the same people who told us we went from goo-to-you!  This guy, I believe, knows a little more about DNA and its data than these commoners!

Evolution teaches us that black people ARE inferior to us "higher civilized" whites.  So I don't see the problem.  I mean so what if you can point to the Bible and genetics and they tell you there is no difference.  As long as I don't have to mention God anywhere I'm a scientist.  I have to find this guy's video I saw online today.  He's also an advocate of killing 90% of the world's population.

In fact, he's one of the main champions of having every person's DNA in a data bank for the entire UK.

So have fun with that!

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