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Reply #75 - Aug 2nd, 2006 at 1:02pm
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This guy sounds like Ward Churtoff's twin.  This is what evolution thinking is really all about.

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co-Misanthropes Want Better Living Through Mass Death

Written By: Deroy Murdock
Published In: Environment News
Publication Date: August 1, 2006
Publisher: The Heartland Institute

Most ecologists want to make life easy for butterflies and waterfalls. Who can argue with that? Some environmental extremists, however, think what the Earth really needs is fewer people. In some cases, billions fewer.


No Better than Bacteria?

"We're no better than bacteria!" University of Texas biologist Eric Pianka recently announced. "Things are gonna get better after the collapse [of the world's human population due to a theorized airborne virus plague] because we won't be able to decimate the Earth so much," he added. "And, I actually think the world will be much better when there's only 10 or 20 percent of us left."

Pianka dreamed disease "will control the scourge of humanity." He celebrated the potential of Ebola Reston, an airborne strain of the killer virus, to make Earth nearly human-free. "We've got airborne 90 percent mortality in humans. Killing humans. Think about that."

Just five hours after Pianka's March 3 speech to the Texas Academy of Science, which Forrest Mims III covered on March 31 in The Citizen Scientist, the academy named Pianka its 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist. Several hundred scientists gave Pianka a standing ovation, Mims reported.

Pianka is not alone.


Many Agree

In the April 17 Boston Globe, columnist Cathy Young quoted Texas Lutheran University's Brenna McConnell, who heard Pianka's speech. "He's a radical thinker, that one!" McConnell exclaimed. "I mean, he's basically advocating for the death of all but 10 percent of the current population! And at the risk of sounding just as radical, I think he's right."

Going even further, the University of Texas-Arlington's Rebecca Calisi observed April 4 on Infowars.com, "There is no denying the natural world would be a better place without people. ALL people!"

One wonders, among any 10 of Pianka's, McConnell's, or Calisi's loved ones, which nine might they yield to "save the Earth." And would these "radical thinkers" sacrifice themselves to protect our planet?

Echoing the radicals' sentiments, scientist William Burger decried "the devastation humans are currently imposing upon our planet." The curator emeritus for botany at Chicago's Field Museum of Science wrote those words last November 9 to then-Discovery Institute scholar Jay Richards regarding the latter's book, The Privileged Planet. Burger continued, "Still, adding over 70 million new humans to the planet each year, the future looks pretty bleak to me. Surely, the Black Death was one of the best things that ever happened to Europe: elevating the worth of human labor, reducing environmental degradation, and, rather promptly, producing the Renaissance. From where I sit, Planet Earth could use another major human pandemic, and pronto!"

What frightful words from a flower expert!


Assassinations Advocated

Finnish environmentalist Pentti Linkola calls humanity a sinking ship with 100 passengers and a lifeboat for 10, and posits a grisly metaphorical response: "Those who hate life try to pull more people on board and drown everybody. Those who love and respect life use axes to chop off the extra hands hanging on the gunwale."

At an October 27 hearing of the U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, Jerry Vlasak of the North American Animal Liberation Front discussed his 2004 recommendations on how to reduce medical research on animals. "I don't think you'd have to kill--assassinate--too many vivisectors before you would see a marked decrease in the amount of vivisection going on," Vlasak said. "And I think for five lives, 10 lives, 15 human lives, we could save a million, 2 million, 10 million non-human lives." Asked about this comment, Vlasak told the senators, "I made that statement. I stand by that statement."

The green movement includes "Elves"--Earth Liberation Front radicals who firebomb houses under construction to prevent their supposed environmental harm (never mind that lumber smoke is a greenhouse gas). Likewise, the Animal Liberation Front's fanatics have penetrated medical research facilities to free lab rats. If such eco-terrorism delays or blocks cures for deadly diseases, well, who needs all those humans anyway?

Beyond identifying and foiling Islamic terrorists, U.S. law enforcement officials also should locate and defeat eco-terrorists who may try to use disease agents and other pathogens to animate this ideology of mass death. A few vials of mutated Ebola virus could be equally dangerous in the hands of both Muslim extremists and militant ecologists.

While the environmental movement features both sensible and misguided though good-hearted individuals, too many Greens love butterflies and waterfalls best when those pesky humans are scrubbed from the landscape.
  

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Reply #76 - Aug 2nd, 2006 at 1:38pm
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My message to Pianka and the rest would simply be, "You first."

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Reply #77 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 1:19pm
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Possible key human evolution genes identified

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LONDON (Reuters) - They could be the missing links of human genetic evolution -- areas of human DNA that changed dramatically after the evolutionary division from chimpanzees, though they had remained almost unchanged for millennia before.
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Scientists from the United States, Belgium and France identified 49 "human accelerated regions" (HARs) showing a lot of genetic activity.

In the most active, identified as HAR1, they found 18 out of the 118 nucleotides had changed since evolutionary separation from chimps some 6 million years ago, while only two had changed in the 310 million years separating the evolutionary lines of chimps and chickens.

"Right now we have very suggestive evidence that it might be involved at a critical step in brain development, but we still need to prove that it really makes a difference," team leader David Haussler from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute and the University of California, Santa Cruz told Reuters.

Other members of the team came from the University of Brussels and Universite Claude Bernard in France.

"It is very exciting to use evolution to look at regions of our genome that haven't been explored yet," Haussler said.

"It is extremely unlikely that the evolution of just one region in the genome made the difference between our brains and the brains of non-human primates," he said.

"It is much more likely to be a series of many, many small changes, each very important, but none doing the entire job by itself," he added.

HAR1 is part of a novel RNA gene HAR1F that is produced during the key formative period for the human brain from seven to 19 weeks of gestation.

Not only that, but the RNA is produced by the Cajal-Retzius neuron that plays a crucial role in the six layers of neurons in the human cortex.

"We still can't say much about the function. But it's a very exciting finding because it is expressed in cells that have a fundamental role in the design and development of the mammalian cortex," Haussler said, noting the need to investigate the remaining 48 HARs.

The findings were published on Wednesday in the science journal Nature. Chris Ponting of Oxford University wrote in the same issue hailing it as a possible major step forward.

"Previously, the hunt for changes in DNA that are causally linked to human-specific biology had concentrated on differences that would alter the amino-acid make-up of the encoded protein," Ponting wrote.

"Now it would seem that searches within the functional non-coding 'dark matter' might be more enlightening," he added.


Wow this entire article is based on quessing and conjecture!  Way to go science!!!  Good job and developing blind faith!

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Human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals: true or false? This simple question is splitting America apart, with a growing proportion thinking that we did not descend from an ancestral ape. A survey of 32 European countries, the US and Japan has revealed that only Turkey is less willing than the US to accept evolution as fact.

Religious fundamentalism, bitter partisan politics and poor science education have all contributed to this denial of evolution in the US, says Jon Miller of Michigan State University in East Lansing, who conducted the survey with his colleagues. "The US is the only country in which [the teaching of evolution] has been politicised," he says. "Republicans have clearly adopted this as one of their wedge issues. In most of the world, this is a non-issue."

Miller's report makes for grim reading for adherents of evolutionary theory. Even though the average American has more years of education than when Miller began his surveys 20 years ago, the percentage of people in the country who accept the idea of evolution has declined from 45 in 1985 to 40 in 2005 (Science, vol 313, p 765). That's despite a series of widely publicised advances in genetics, including genetic sequencing, which shows strong overlap of the human genome with those of chimpanzees and mice. "We don't seem to be going in the right direction," Miller says.

There is some cause for hope. Team member Eugenie Scott of the National Center for Science Education in Oakland, California, finds solace in the finding that the percentage of adults overtly rejecting evolution has dropped from 48 to 39 in the same time. Meanwhile the fraction of Americans unsure about evolution has soared, from 7 per cent in 1985 to 21 per cent last year. "That is a group of people that can be reached," says Scott.

The main opposition to evolution comes from fundamentalist Christians, who are much more abundant in the US than in Europe. While Catholics, European Protestants and so-called mainstream US Protestants consider the biblical account of creation as a metaphor, fundamentalists take the Bible literally, leading them to believe that the Earth and humans were created only 6000 years ago.

Ironically, the separation of church and state laid down in the US constitution contributes to the tension. In Catholic schools, both evolution and the strict biblical version of human beginnings can be taught. A court ban on teaching creationism in public schools, however, means pupils can only be taught evolution, which angers fundamentalists, and triggers local battles over evolution.

These battles can take place because the US lacks a national curriculum of the sort common in European countries. However, the Bush administration's No Child Left Behind act is instituting standards for science teaching, and the battles of what they should be has now spread to the state level.

Miller thinks more genetics should be on the syllabus to reinforce the idea of evolution. American adults may be harder to reach: nearly two-thirds don't agree that more than half of human genes are common to chimpanzees. How would these people respond when told that humans and chimps share 99 per cent of their genes?


Boy don't you feel smaller than dirt after reading that biased article?!

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Reply #79 - Aug 21st, 2006 at 10:16pm
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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/21/060821191826.o0mynclv.html

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Greenland's glaciers have been shrinking for the past century, according to a Danish study, suggesting that the ice melt is not a recent phenomenon caused by global warming.


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Reply #80 - Aug 22nd, 2006 at 4:25pm
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But, but, but... we have to live carbon-neutral lifestyles!

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Reply #81 - Aug 30th, 2006 at 4:20am
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060829/ap_on_sc/antarctica_labyrinth

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A 30-mile maze canyons in Antarctica was carved out of bedrock by the catastrophic draining of subglacial lakes during global warming between 12 million and 14 million years ago, according to university researchers who warn a similar event today could have serious environmental consequences.


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Looks to me like there could have been some kind of MAJOR draining there. Doesnt look like it would take too long to do that if there was enough water eh? Someday these scientists will stop using shoddy theories to form the backbone of their research, and then we will be able to get some real hypothesis and analysis. I'm not saying that these guys should all convert to Christianity (although, God willing), but it would be nice to someday get an objective look at geology, ancient history, biology, and pretty much all science in general, without all that nonsense about evolution and millions and billions of years.
  

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Reply #82 - Aug 30th, 2006 at 5:34am
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OH come on now Briney...science without bias?  Never...remember the days of old when Einstein said...I want to know God's thoughts...the rest are just details.  A man who believed in a Creator and yet carried out some prolific science.  Of course that was hard science.  Yet whenever you have the ability to interpret findings...you will always have bias.  I'm just sick and tired of science always being considered always correct.  It reminds me of 1984 and how Winston had to change the past so that Big Brother was never wrong.  Today we view things today as correct because of science and theories like the geocentric model of the universe being because of religion.  Science has and always will change.  We find out more and more about the world we live in, from the macro to the micro and it changes what we believed to be true.  Yet "science" is always right?  Which was to the place where I can curse Emmanuel Goldstein?!

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Reply #83 - Aug 30th, 2006 at 8:58am
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If by "some day" you mean "during the Millenial Reign," then I'll agree with you, Briney.

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Evolution and the environment, not just gluttony, has led to a global obesity pandemic, with an estimated 1.5 billion people overweight -- more than the number of undernourished people -- an obesity conference was told on Monday.


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Reply #85 - Sep 5th, 2006 at 9:59am
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That might be the biggest copout I've ever read.

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Reply #86 - Sep 5th, 2006 at 11:07pm
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wait a minute, evolution is supposed to be driven by natural selection.. so how is it possilbe to evolve into less fit organisms?
  
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Reply #87 - Sep 5th, 2006 at 11:35pm
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I think the newest trend with evolutionists is gearing away from natural selection and focusing more on mutations, or additive mutations. I find it humorous that evolution changes more than some religions, yet it is supposed to be the most rock solid explanation for existance that man has ever devised.
  

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Agreed.  Science is suppose to be this true thing for all people at all times in all places.  However I think post-modernism (the believe that there are no absoultes...basically a bunch of French BS) is intertwining with "science".  We, that is the secular world, wants hard facts yet they don't want anything to stand in judgement over them whether it be a Supreme Being or the Laws of Nature.  It all comes down to the irrational, illogical view of people to try and shape their world according to their beliefs.  Now, "religious" people do this as well.  Yet as we see more apologetists and science and logic come into the field of religion...the more dogma and blind faith comes into science.  It seems that either the universe is either slipping back into some Bizarro world...or things are equallying out.  Either way both sides need to see the logic fallacies and irrationalities they bring into their situations and not try to dismiss them as nothing or try and say "nothing is wrong!".

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Apparently, our thoughts are controlled by genes.. 


  
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