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Reply #105 - Mar 16th, 2006 at 6:58pm
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Sears Tower is owned by Larry Silverstein who owned the Twin Towers. He collected a ton of insurance from it too.

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Reply #106 - Mar 17th, 2006 at 8:26am
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Here's a really loud way to "Cry Freedom."



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NEWPORT NEWS, Va., March 15, 2006 -- The nation's tenth and final Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, George H. W. Bush (CVN 77), grew by nearly 800 tons today as Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE:NOC) lowered the upper bow section of the ship into place. The addition of the upper bow completes the flight deck and extends the overall length of the carrier to its full size, which is as long as the Empire State Building is tall.

The carrier is under construction at Northrop Grumman's Newport News sector, the nation's sole designer, builder and refueler of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. Weighing 780 tons and made up of 25 steel sections, the upper bow is one of the heaviest crane lifts in the ship's production plan. Newport News began construction on the upper bow unit last February.

"Landing the fully-outfitted upper bow on the ship is a significant milestone in the design and construction of CVN 77, and most importantly, a great team effort by our shipbuilders," said Scott Stabler, vice president for the CVN 77 program at Northrop Grumman Newport News. "We are on track for record shipboard construction progress at launch in October."

Newport News is building the George H. W. Bush using modular construction, a process where smaller sections of the ship are welded together to form units called super lifts. These super lifts are pre-outfitted and then lifted into the construction dry dock with the sector's massive 900-ton gantry crane. The upper bow unit is the 155th of 161 super lifts used to build the carrier. It joins the lower bow section which was set into place in the dry dock nearly one year ago.

The George H. W. Bush is the second carrier to have a new bulbous bow design that provides more buoyancy to the forward end of the ship and improves hull efficiency. Other new design features include an updated aviation fuel distribution system, a new marine sewage system and new propellers. The George H. W. Bush's keel was laid Sept. 6, 2003. The christening will occur in October 2006 with delivery to the U.S. Navy in late 2008.





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Think thats kewl? Wait until you see the CVN(X). New generation reactors with in-cycle fuel breeding which mean that they will last the life of the ship. Also is going to use a pottasium vapor colant loop spinning magnetic bearting turbo-alternators. It's going to have more then twice the electrical power avalible to the Nimitz class. It's electric drive motors will be much less maintnance intensive then the Nimitz but make it a much faster ship. Crew should be cut in half while the air wing is going to grow by about 20 combat air craft.

The CVN(X) is going to be one hell of a ship, although with the coming age of naval rail guns I can't help but wonder if the age of the carrier is going to come to an end when we get around to making a nuclear powered version of the DD(X) with 2nd generation rail guns. 600 miles inland, 3 minutes flight time, less then $3000 a shot, that will be a revolutionary ship.


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Reply #107 - Mar 17th, 2006 at 2:20pm
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Tom Clancy's "Without Remorse" is going to be turned into a movie.  Hopefully, it won't suck as badly as Sum of All Fears.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499097/

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600 mile inland shots?  Holy fucking shit....

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This woman is a gun-grabbing libtard.  I hope she gets nailed to the wall over this.

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Congresswoman McKinney Punches Police Officer... MORE... Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) punched a U.S. Capitol Police officer today after he mistakenly pursued her for failing to pass through a metal detector, HOTLINE reports... The entire incident is on tape. The cop is pressing charges and the USCP are waiting until Congress adjourns to arrest her, a source claims... Developing...


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Last Call: McKinney Punches Police Officer

As first reported in Hotline's Last Call!:

Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) punched a U.S. Capitol Police officer today after he mistakenly pursued her for failing to pass through a metal detector.

Members are not required to pass through metal detectors and the officer, manning a position at Longworth House Office Building, apparently did not recognize McKinney and didn't see her Member pin.

The officer called out "Ma'am, Ma'am," in an attempt to stop her.

When the officer caught up to McKinney, he grabbed her by the arm.

McKinney pulled her arm away, swung around, cell phone in hand, and punched the officer square in the chest, according to the witness.

McKinney's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.




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Reply #110 - Mar 31st, 2006 at 8:29am
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Pat, you should be all over this bad boy.  I don't know why it disappeared from WorldNetDaily's website.  It went from "Breaking News" to completely gone almost immediately, but you can still read it if you know the article number.  I copied it below, also.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49510 to read it.

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OKC BOMBING FALLOUT
Federal judge rules: McVeigh had help
Bolsters claims government had informant inside conspiracy to attack federal building


Posted: March 30, 2006
4:41 a.m. Eastern



By J.D .Cash, Roger Charles









A U.S. District Court judge in Salt Lake City, Utah, has issued a stunning decision that appears to bolster claims that executed bomber Timothy McVeigh was supported by various militia groups, and that the government had an informant inside the bombing conspiracy.

The case in Utah grew out of a dispute between civil attorney Jesse Trentadue and the Oklahoma City FBI over documents requested under the Freedom of Information Act.


For over a decade, Trentadue has been searching for documents that might shed light on the death of his brother at the Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City, in August of 1995.

The federal government maintains that Kenneth Trentadue killed himself in a suicide-proof cell at the Oklahoma City federal installation, where he was being held on a purported parole violation for failing to report to his parole officer.

In the course of this investigation, Trentadue received "tips" from various sources, including one allegedly from a source close to McVeigh, before McVeigh's execution.

That source said that McVeigh told him that Kenneth Trentadue was beaten, tortured and murdered because the FBI mistakenly believed he was linked to a group of bank bandits that considerable evidence now suggests, assisted McVeigh in the plot to bomb the Oklahoma federal building.

The FOIA suit began after heavily redacted documents obtained by this newspaper, from an FBI whistleblower, confirmed McVeigh's links to Elohim City and informants working for the Southern Poverty Law Center who were present at the paramilitary compound on April 17, 1995, when McVeigh called the camp looking for German-national Andreas Strassmeir and additional help in the bombing.

While heavily redacted, that Jan. 4, 1996, teletype from then-FBI director Louis Freeh to a select group of FBI offices contained information appearing to link Strassmeir to McVeigh and the FBI's knowledge that Strassmeir was planning to flee the country soon.

Inexplicably, the FBI did not go to the residence where the memo said Strassmeir was living in Black Mountain, N.C., and detain the individual for questioning about the bombing. Instead, Strassmeir – with the help on his Black Mountain, N.C. attorney, Kirk Lyons, and former CIA pilot Dave Holloway – was able to slip across the Mexican border a few days after the teletype was issued.

Since the discovery of this heavily redacted document linking the SPLC, Elohim City and Strassmeir to McVeigh and the bombing conspiracy, the FBI has since produced 17 additional documents for Trentadue. However, key sections of those documents were also heavily redacted.

Seeking to have the FBI provide unredacted copies of these additional documents, Trentadue has claimed the FBI has a duty to make a full disclosure of who their informants and suspects in the bombing were, because the national interest in the Oklahoma City bombing, far outweighs any privacy interests those informants and suspects may have had.

In order to determine the validity of the claims made by both sides, the FBI was ordered in November to turn over unredacted copies of all the documents at issue for the judge to examine "in chambers."

Considering Trentadue's allegations about his brother's mysterious and violent death, the judge early in his opinion observed: "While officials ruled the death a suicide, the Plaintiff unearthed significant evidence of foul play. Plaintiff's theory is that his brother apparently looked very similar to Richard Lee Guthrie, who allegedly was one of Timothy McVeigh's accomplices in the Oklahoma City bombing and a member of the Mid-West Bank Robbery Gang. Plaintiff believes that his brother was killed during an overly aggressive interrogation by federal agents – who believed Kenneth Trentadue was Richard Lee Guthrie.

Later in his summary of the facts, Judge Dale Kimball also noted that Guthrie was later apprehended by authorities and he, too, is said to have committed suicide his jail cell while in federal custody.

After reviewing the unredacted documents provided by the FBI, Kimball singled out a teletype issued by the FBI, only six days after the blast.

"Plaintiff points out the fact that this document indicates there was an undercover operative in with Timothy McVeigh and members of the various militia groups who aided and supported McVeigh, but plaintiff wonders why, given the subject matter, there are no earlier records produced by the FBI."

Contacted after the ruling was issued, Trentadue told this newspaper that he is heartened by the language the judged used here, which clearly indicates the unredacted documents convinced the court that McVeigh had accomplices that have not been charged and the government had at least one informant within the cabal.

"The judge concurs with my allegations that McVeigh was supported by this bank robbery group at Elohim City and that the government was inside that group with at least one informant."


The court, though, sided with the FBI in refusing to allow the release of the names of the other suspects or their informants that provided them with information about the conspiracy.

In his 22-page ruling, Kimball said, "(FOIA) Exemption 7D protects records of information compiled for law enforcement purposes which could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source or information furnished by a confidential source."

Regarding the FBI's reluctance to provide the information sought by Trentadue, Kimball wrote, "It is troubling that so many of the documents produced by the FBI refer to FD-302s (investigation leads) that were or should have been prepared, and the disclosed documents also refer to other attachments that at one time appear to have accompanied the document, yet these documents have not been produced. While the FBI's failure to discover documents is not necessarily and indication of bad faith, it is puzzling that so many documents could be referenced but not produced."

Focusing on Morris Dees and the organization he co-founded, the SPLC, the judge ordered the FBI to conduct additional record searches for documents containing the names of Morris Dees, the SPLC and several radical members of the far-right that frequented Elohim City and that have been linked in the past to McVeigh.

Encouraging the FBI to fully cooperate with attorney Trentadue in his dogged search for the truth around his brother's murder, Kimball warned the agency: "It appears likely, however, that the FBI has not seen the last FOIA request from Plaintiff."

One senior, retired FBI agent who read only the paragraph quoted above from the judge's ruling said that the judge's finding that there was an informant and a broader conspiracy than heretofore admitted by the government makes even more inexplicable the FBI headquarters' shutting down all investigations into the Elohim City connection to OKBOMB.

He further stated that it would be "a huge scandal" if it is ever proven that Strassmeir's name is among those currently withheld as having been guaranteed confidentiality as an informant.


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Reply #111 - Mar 31st, 2006 at 11:13am
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Oh and this is only the tip of the iceberg.

New media on the day of the OKC bombing reported multiple devices that appeared to be secondary devices.  These reports were later not even mentioned and no mention of whether or not the secondary devices were in fact explosives however reports from three seperate news media in OKC area had reports of police quarentineening off areas and sending in bomb squads, also there is a video of police on the sceen telling people to clear the area of another explosive.  Where did these reports go?  Why no follow up?!

If you look at the ground zero point where the supposed UHaul filled with explosives are there is no hole in the ground.  Later reports in newspapers show a hole....but only in drawings, anyfootage of that day shows no blast.  An explosition that takes out an entire side of the buidling would at least do something to the road it was parked on.  None whatsoever.  Also the parking lot directly across from building is completely untouched.  No cars exploded or on fire, no singe marks for a massive explosition, the buidling isn't even touched.  Also people working the day of the attack in the building across from the Fed building reported 2 explosions of the same intensity one right after another.  Secondary explosions?  Well if you look at how the fed building was built that was a perfect way to take out half the building if you put two charges on the support beams.

Also McVeigh was known to have help.  The gas station attendent saw him come in with John Doe number 2, as you've stated, but no one seems to care about this supposed Muslim person.  Kinda like how no one cares how WTC 7 came down.

I have videos for all this and if you guys want to download them I can tell you where to find them.  If not, and you don't care that much, I won't post them now.

All I want to say is if we just take a look at the facts here we see how the globalists further advanced their control over America with this attack, leading to the 9/11 attacks.  However people don't want to even think their govt would do something so inhuman.  Sure they'll complain about taxes and the govt doing stupid things but we cannot question or even consider that our govt is not in control of what happens in this country.  Also don't watch the History Channels' special on the OKC bombing "conspiracies" they are just white washing the entire debate with the crap they put out.  Wait a minute, our media and our govt controlled by others, oh come take up Morning Star and lead us into more darkness.  Let to One rise who will control all the nations for a time and we will follow him who will set himself up as god!

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Reply #112 - Mar 31st, 2006 at 11:45am
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As long as it isn't Alex Jones, I'll gladly take some video URLs.  That guy is a freakin' lunatic.

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Mexican flag burned at Apache Junction HS
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Tucson, Arizona | Published: 03.31.2006

Tensions over immigration reform heightened in the Phoenix area's East Valley Thursday when students raised a Mexican flag over Apache Junction High School — and then other students yanked it down and burned it.

"I know (they) shouldn't have burned the Mexican flag," said Jacob Stewart, a 16-year-old sophomore. "I heard it was raised above the American flag and that just irked me."
He said the turbulence was tied to debates going on in the state Legislature and Congress, where ideas ranging from offering illegal immigrants a chance at citizenship to making them felons are being floated.

Freshman Chelsea Garcia, 15, and junior Brittany Ramage, 16, said the unrest had more to do with long-running racial tensions at the school.
The week's events might have sparked some anger, Ramage said, "but kids aren't too deep about that stuff."

The Hispanic student who brought the Mexican flag said he was responding to a remark directed at him Wednesday. The flag-raising, flag-burning, and shoving match that followed happened before most students arrived at school.

Six students — three Hispanic and three white — will be disciplined, Principal Chad Wilson said.
Officials with the Apache Junction Unified School District would not specify what punishment the six face.

Wilson did say in a letter sent home to parents that there would be "increased supervision, including additional police officers, on the campus over the next couple of days."
School flagpoles have been lightning rods across the country this week, including an incident in which a Houston high-school principal was disciplined after he flew a Mexican flag underneath his campus' U.S. and state flags.

A new political awareness among students has also been grabbing attention, as thousands have walked out on classes to join rallies in Phoenix and elsewhere. More than 100 students from Mesa's Carson Junior High and Westwood High schools marched in protest on Mesa streets Tuesday.


www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/122555




It annoys me greatly that American society can minimalize the outrage of a foreign flag being hoisted on U.S. soil, and then act like it is a crime to do anything about it.

Just like everyone else on this forum, my ancestry started some place other than America.  My origins are primarily Irish.  But you know what?  That doesn't make me Irish American and that doesn't give me the right to fly the Irish flag above the American flag on a public flagpole.  I'm an American and I act like it.  What makes Mexican immigrants sacrosanct from the same conditions that have applied to European and Asian immigrants for 400 years?

Screw Mexico and screw the Mexican flag.  If they want to fly that rag, they can take it back souh of the border and run it up their own flagpole.  If Mexico is so great, why aren't their "patriotic" butts down there instead of up here?

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Reply #114 - Mar 31st, 2006 at 2:33pm
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Apparently, an arrest warrant will be issued for McKinney. 

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/8343403/detail.html

One of the articles I was reading made reference to the greatest exchange I've ever read...

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"I would not make a big deal of this," said Pelosi, D-Calif.

Ron Bonjean, spokesman for House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., responded: "How many officers would have to be punched before it becomes a big deal?"


Bahahahaha, I love it!

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Reply #115 - Apr 3rd, 2006 at 3:10am
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http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/story.html?id=65bee20c-b7b9-46ca-87c7-7477...

This is happening in America too people!  Bush is trying to get more laws passed through Congress to force parents to med their kids, and if not you loose you kid!

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Government Says Aspartame Is Good For You
AP calls study independent, omits previous human studies showing Aspartame danger

The deadly toxin Aspartame which is included in more than 6,000 food and drink products around the world is good for you according to a new government study. The Associated Press falsely labels the results as independent and omits referencing previous human studies undertaken by groups with no corporate or government ties that concluded the opposite.

Associated Press health correspondent Marilynn Marchione seems to revel in suggesting the study is beyond reproach because it uses human subjects rather than rats.

"A huge federal study in people -- not rats -- takes the fizz out of arguments that the diet soda sweetener aspartame might raise the risk of cancer," smarms the article in an attempt to discredit last year's Italian study which linked aspartame to an increased risk of leukaemias and lymphomas in female lab rats "at doses very close to the acceptable daily intake for humans."

In putting the study in this context, the Associated Press has lied by omission. Numerous independent controlled studies (not ones conducted by corporations or government) using human subjects have concluded that aspartame is deadly. They are Camfield (1992), Elsas (1988), Gulya (1992), Koehler (1988), Kulczycki (1995), Spiers (1988), Van Den Eeden (1994), Walton (1993). Why doesn't the AP mention any of these studies?

Why doesn't the AP mention the fact that "out of 90 independently-funded studies, 83 of them found one or more
problems caused by aspartame. But out of the 74 studies funded by the aspartame industry (e.g., Monsanto, G.D. Searle, ILSI, etc.), every single one of them claimed that no problems were found?"

The AP immediately draws the conclusion that the study was, "done by reputable researchers independent of any funding or ties to industry groups."

The AP cites the Center For Science in the Public Interest as praising the results of the study. CFSPI is a Rockefeller front organization that also receives funding from Ted Turner's Nuclear Threat Initiative. Its board of directors is also littered with former government henchmen, including former FDA officials.

Having the federal government conduct studies that heavily impact profits of major corporations depending on the results and calling them independent is like Charles Manson being judged by Jeffrey Dahmer. In the 21st century of corporate fascism the two are inseparable from one another.

The Aspartame controversy is noted for the fact that it explicitly connects government conflicts of interest with corporations. Donald Rumsfeld became the chief executive officer of a worldwide pharmaceutical G.D. Searle & Company (later bought out by Monsanto) in 1977, 12 years after aspartame was discovered by G.D. Searle chemist James Schlatter.

A story by Rishi Mehta, associate commentary editor for the University of Connecticut Daily Campus newspaper, points out the following: “In 1981, after over 15 years of FDA disapproval of aspartame, Rumsfeld said in a Searle sales meeting that he would use ‘political rather than scientific means’ to finally get FDA approval. Only 20 days later, Ronald Reagan was sworn in as 40th President of the United States, appointing Rumsfeld as Special Envoy to the Middle East and Arthur Hayes Hull Jr. - a friend of Rumsfeld's - to FDA commissioner."

If one of the most influential members of the current administration has publicly stated that he would use political pressure to force the acceptance of aspartame would it would therefore overwhelmingly be in the interest of a federal government study to conclude that the use of aspartame was acceptable?

Yes.

Therefore the study is not independent and it is not credible.

Futhermore, the FDA has been caught in the past removing negative data from government studies that indicated aspartame was dangerous to humans.

According to consumer rights group Mission Possible, "Since its 1981 approval, the FDA has published a list of 92 symptoms of aspartame poisoning, which includes headaches, vision loss including blindness, seizures, neurological problems, cardiovascular problems and death. The FDA admits adverse reactions to aspartame comprise about 80 percent of consumer complaints it receives each year."

Proponents of aspartame are like the idiots in the 50's who said there were no health dangers in smoking. Moves by British parliamentarians and bills such as one in New Jersey calling for the outright banning of aspartame in all foods should be supported and this poison-peddling industry shut down.
  

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"An MIT student accused of copyright infringement has been documenting her struggles with the RIAA. Upon trying to negotiate her settlement, a representative told her that "the RIAA has been known to suggest that students drop out of college or go to community college in order to be able to afford settlements."

Posted on Slashdot.

This is just ridiculous.  I'm going to charge people 100 billion dollars to breath air.  Only 13 people could pay me...there the globablists have their goal of depopulating earth to around 500 million...500 million....13...about the same number.

"I want to come back as a flesh eating virus." - Ted Turner

As well as this new article.  http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/state/14255288.htm

The globalists have been saying this since about the 1940s in the public arena.  Why?  Well what are people going to do about it?  Oh please this is only some wacky conspiracy theory!

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Reply #118 - Apr 6th, 2006 at 12:58pm
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It seems to me that the person testifying here a) has no relavence to the case and b) should be sitting in the defendent's seat.

I would ask him why he was in WTC 7.  Why there was a command bunker there?  How did it collapse because no plane hit it and it just  had two small fires?  Who else was with him in the command bunker?  How did it feel to remotely control those planes into the buildings?  What he's getting out of killing 2,000 of his own country men and women?

This guy's more guilty than Moussaoui is.  He's just a patsy for people to blame.  I would like to follow the body, when he gets killed.  To see if they even kill him and not just make it appear so and give him a new ID and some surgery.

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Reply #119 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 12:26am
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http://www.ajc.com/print/content/epaper/editions/today/news_44437aaa906db0c7003f...

Oh man who called this one!?  *Raises hand...looks up at it...* oh that's right...ME!

Man don't you hate it when I'm right about these things.  Good thing our grandparents and children (well not ours but ours in the collectiveness of ours)!

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