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Reply #1170 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 1:42am
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Well, China is hurting too, so I don't think there will be a whole lot of investment money coming from China right now.  If anything, look to the "sovereign wealth funds" from Middle Eastern countries to do some serious investing.  They're still sitting on a ridiculous amount of cash from the oil boom, and they're feeling spendy.


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Reply #1171 - Jan 3rd, 2009 at 12:59pm
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WASHINGTON — Motorists are driving less and buying less gasoline, which means fuel taxes aren't raising enough money to keep pace with the cost of road, bridge and transit programs.

A federal commission created by Congress to find a way to make up the growing revenue shortfall in the program that funds highway repairs and construction is talking about increasing federal gas and diesel taxes.

A roughly 50 percent increase in gasoline and diesel fuel taxes is being urged by the commission until the government devises another way for motorists to pay for using public roads.

The 15-member National Commission on Surface Transportation Infrastructure Financing is the second group in a year to call for increasing the current 18.4 cents a gallon federal tax on gasoline and the 24.4 cents a gallon tax on diesel. State fuel taxes vary from state to state.

In a report expected in late January, members of the infrastructure financing commission say they will urge Congress to raise the gas tax by 10 cents a gallon and the diesel tax by about 12 cents to 15 cents a gallon. At the same time, the commission will recommend tying the fuel tax rates to inflation.

The commission will also recommend that states raise their fuel taxes and make greater use of toll roads and fees for rush-hour driving.

Although the cost of gasoline has dropped dramatically in recent months, such tax increases could be politically treacherous for Democratic leaders in Congress. A gas tax hike was one of the reasons they lost control of the House and Senate in the 1994 elections. President-elect Barack Obama has expressed concern about raising fuel taxes in the current economic climate.

But commission members said the government must find more road and bridge building money somewhere.

"I'm not excited about a gas tax increase, but the reality is our current gas tax doesn't pay for upkeep of the system we have now," said Adrian Moore, vice president of the Reason Foundation, a libertarian think tank in Los Angeles, and a member of the highway revenue commission. "We can either let the roads go to hell or we can pay more."

The dilemma for Congress is that highway and transit programs are dependent for revenue on fuel taxes that are not sustainable. Many Americans are driving less and switching to more fuel-efficient cars and trucks, and a shift to new fuels and technologies like plug-in hybrid electric cars will further erode gasoline sales.

According to a draft of the financing commission's recommendations, the nation needs to move to a new system that taxes motorists according to how much they use roads. While details have not been worked out, such a system would mean equipping every car and truck with a device that uses global positioning satellites and transponders to record how many miles the vehicle has been driven, and perhaps the type of roads and time of day.

"Most if not all of the commissioners have a strong belief and commitment that we need a fundamental transformation of the current system," said commission chairman Robert Atkinson, president of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, a technology policy think tank in Washington.

A study by the Transportation Research Board of the National Academies estimated that the annual gap between revenues and the investment needed to improve highway and transit systems was about $105 billion in 2007, and will increase to $134 billion in 2017 under current trends.

Projected shortfalls in revenue led the National Surface Transportation Policy and Revenue Study Commission, in a report issued in January 2008, to call for an increase of as much as 40 cents a gallon in the gas tax, phased in over five years.

Charles Whittington, chairman of the American Trucking Associations, which supports a fuel tax increase as long as the money goes to highway projects, said Congress may decide to disguise a fuel tax hike as a surcharge to combat climate change.

Transportation is responsible for about a third of all U.S. carbon emissions created by burning fossil fuels. Traffic congestion wastes an estimated 2.9 billion gallons of fuel a year. Less congestion would reduce greenhouse gases and dependence on foreign oil.

"Instead of calling it a gas tax, call it a carbon tax," Whittington said.

Bottlenecks around the nation cost the trucking industry about 243 million lost truck hours and about $7.8 billion per year, according to the commission.



That makes so much sense.  Let's raise the taxes for road use... because we're not using the road?

Earlier this year, the feds were proposing raising gas taxes to keep people from driving.  They thought that making gas even more expensive when it was over $4.00 would get people to stop driving, thereby reducing demand and... dropping gas prices?

Well, people have stopped driving, which has limited tax income for road projects, so guess what - congress wants to raise taxes!

When gas prices go up due to higher taxes and people start driving even less, will congress raise gas taxes yet again to compensate?  Then more people will stop driving, and taxes will go even higher, forcing more people to stop driving, forcing taxes higher, which will cause.... *BAM*


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Reply #1172 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:33pm
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Oh come now b0b.  Everyone knows that the government will make up all kinds of shit to be able to tax you for more.

Take cigarettes for instance.  Winston-Salem did a survey of smokers on their mailing list and asked them why, if ever, they had considered quitting smoking.

Only 1 in 15 people responded with the option that they could no longer afford to smoke.  Yet the government insists that by taxing the living shit (and trust me few things are taxed as heavily as tobacco) out of smokes, they will get people to stop =p

So what are they going to do when everyone does quit? Hmmm?
  
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Reply #1173 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 1:04pm
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FEMA Camps Law Up In Congress

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A new bill introduced in Congress authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to set up a network of FEMA camp facilities to be used to house U.S. citizens in the event of a national emergency.

The National Emergency Centers Act or HR 645 mandates the establishment of “national emergency centers” to be located on military installations for the purpose of to providing “temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster,” according to the bill.

The legislation also states that the camps will be used to “provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations”.

Ominously, the bill also states that the camps can be used to “meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security,” an open ended mandate which many fear could mean the forced detention of American citizens in the event of widespread rioting after a national emergency or total economic collapse.

Many credible forecasters have predicted riots and rebellions in America that will dwarf those already witnessed in countries like Iceland and Greece.

With active duty military personnel already being stationed inside the U.S. under Northcom, partly for purposes of “crowd control,” fears that Americans could be incarcerated in detainment camps are all too real.

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New Legislation Authorizes FEMA Camps In U.S. 131108banner2

The bill mandates that six separate facilities be established in different Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions (FEMA) throughout the country.

The camps will double up as “command and control” centers that will also house a “24/7 operations watch center” as well as training facilities for Federal, State, and local first responders.

The bill also contains language that will authorize camps to be established within closed or already operating military bases around the country.

As we have previously highlighted, in early 2006 Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root was awarded a $385 million dollar contract by Homeland Security to construct detention and processing facilities in the event of a national emergency.

The language of the preamble to the agreement veils the program with talk of temporary migrant holding centers, but it is made clear that the camps would also be used “as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency.”

As far back as 2002, FEMA sought bids from major real estate and engineering firms to construct giant internment facilities in the case of a chemical, biological or nuclear attack or a natural disaster.

A much discussed and circulated report, the Pentagon’s Civilian Inmate Labor Program, was more recently updated and the revision details a “template for developing agreements” between the Army and corrections facilities for the use of civilian inmate labor on Army installations.”

Alex Jones has attended numerous military urban warfare training drills across the US where role players were used to simulate arresting American citizens and taking them to internment camps.

Read the new legislation in full below.

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National Emergency Centers Establishment Act (Introduced in House)

HR 645 IH

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 645
To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 22, 2009
Mr. HASTINGS of Florida introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, and in addition to the Committee on Armed Services, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

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A BILL
To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `National Emergency Centers Establishment Act’.

SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.

(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure–

(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;

(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;

(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

SEC. 3. DESIGNATION OF MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AS NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

(a) In General- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate not fewer than 6 military installations as sites for the establishment of national emergency centers.

(b) Minimum Requirements- A site designated as a national emergency center shall be–

(1) capable of meeting for an extended period of time the housing, health, transportation, education, public works, humanitarian and other transition needs of a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster;

(2) environmentally safe and shall not pose a health risk to individuals who may use the center;

(3) capable of being scaled up or down to accommodate major disaster preparedness and response drills, operations, and procedures;

(4) capable of housing existing permanent structures necessary to meet training and first responders coordination requirements during nondisaster periods;

(5) capable of hosting the infrastructure necessary to rapidly adjust to temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance needs;

(6) required to consist of a complete operations command center, including 2 state-of-the art command and control centers that will comprise a 24/7 operations watch center as follows:

(A) one of the command and control centers shall be in full ready mode; and

(B) the other shall be used daily for training; and

(7) easily accessible at all times and be able to facilitate handicapped and medical facilities, including during an emergency or major disaster.

(c) Location of National Emergency Centers- There shall be established not fewer than one national emergency center in each of the following areas:

(1) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions I, II, and III.

(2) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IV.

(3) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions V and VII.

(4) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region VI.

(5) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions VIII and X.

(6) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IX.

(d) Preference for Designation of Closed Military Installations- Wherever possible, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate a closed military installation as a site for a national emergency center. If the Secretaries of Homeland Security and Defense jointly determine that there is not a sufficient number of closed military installations that meet the requirements of subsections (b) and (c), the Secretaries shall jointly designate portions of existing military installations other than closed military installations as national emergency centers.

(e) Transfer of Control of Closed Military Installations- If a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Defense shall transfer to the Secretary of Homeland Security administrative jurisdiction over such closed military installation.

(f) Cooperative Agreement for Joint Use of Existing Military Installations- If an existing military installation other than a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of Defense shall enter into a cooperative agreement to provide for the establishment of the national emergency center.

(g) Reports-

(1) PRELIMINARY REPORT- Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–

(A) an outline of the reasons why the site was selected;

(B) an outline of the need to construct, repair, or update any existing infrastructure at the site;

(C) an outline of the need to conduct any necessary environmental clean-up at the site;

(D) an outline of preliminary plans for the transfer of control of the site from the Secretary of Defense to the Secretary of Homeland Security, if necessary under subsection (e); and

(E) an outline of preliminary plans for entering into a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f).

(2) UPDATE REPORT- Not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–

(A) an update on the information contained in the report as required by paragraph (1);

(B) an outline of the progress made toward the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e);

(C) an outline of the progress made toward entering a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and

(D) recommendations regarding any authorizations and appropriations that may be necessary to provide for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site.

(3) FINAL REPORT- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–

(A) finalized information detailing the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e);

(B) the finalized cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and

(C) any additional information pertinent to the establishment of a national emergency center at the site.

(4) ADDITIONAL REPORTS- The Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, may submit to Congress additional reports as necessary to provide updates on steps being taken to meet the requirements of this Act.

SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS ON STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.

This Act does not affect–

(1) the authority of the Federal Government to provide emergency or major disaster assistance or to implement any disaster mitigation and response program, including any program authorized by the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5121 et seq.); or

(2) the authority of a State or local government to respond to an emergency.

SEC. 5. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.

There is authorized to be appropriated $180,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2009 and 2010 to carry out this Act. Such funds shall remain available until expended.

SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act, the following definitions apply:

(1) CLOSED MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `closed military installation’ means a military installation, or portion thereof, approved for closure or realignment under the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note) that meet all, or 2 out of the 3 following requirements:

(A) Is located in close proximity to a transportation corridor.

(B) Is located in a State with a high level or threat of disaster related activities.

(C) Is located near a major metropolitan center.

(2) EMERGENCY- The term `emergency’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).

(3) MAJOR DISASTER- The term `major disaster’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).

(4) MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `military installation’ has the meaning given such term in section 2910 of the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note).
  

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Reply #1174 - Feb 26th, 2009 at 6:39am
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On Friday, if all goes according to plan, I will be purchasing my first gun/handgun!

A Springfield CD-45!

http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?model=1

Voted gun of the year two years in a row (which is unheard of).  THe only problem is, the last one MC Sports has is the floor model, but I either wait for my super sweet gun or I go with one that's been only handled a little.

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Reply #1175 - Feb 26th, 2009 at 11:45am
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I got the XDm and it has some nice upgrades from the standard XD.  You may want to check that out before purchasing.

Hey bob, why can't I find any decently priced ar-15 mags?  I check with Magpul and their 20 round pmags have been sold out for almost a year.  Where can I get some!??!
  
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Reply #1176 - Feb 26th, 2009 at 6:54pm
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Because I want a .45
  

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Reply #1177 - Feb 26th, 2009 at 10:46pm
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What is... Why do you want a regular springfield XD, Alex.

...And why do you want a .45?
  
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Reply #1178 - Feb 26th, 2009 at 11:38pm
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Personally im going for a 9mm for my first pistol.
  

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Reply #1179 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 9:56am
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X wrote on Feb 26th, 2009 at 6:39am:
On Friday, if all goes according to plan, I will be purchasing my first gun/handgun!

A Springfield CD-45!


A most excellent choice.  My first modern handgun was Springfield XD Service in .40S&W.  I still contend the stainless steel model is dead sexy.  It's almost five years old now and I've put several thousand rounds through it without a hiccup.  It was my primary carry gun until I bought my smaller Kahr P9 last spring, and it still sits in my nightstand looking as shiny as the day it was new.

If you're going to get a CCW and carry this thing on a regular basis, I would strongly recommend springing for the stainless model (if they have one).

Now that Springfield has released the .45ACP model, I'm thinking about buying another, but only if they put out a stainless tactical (5") model.  TWINSIES!

For what its worth, Spanky also has an XD in .45, although I think he got the ugly OD Green model.  If you want to head to the range before you pull the trigger (har har!), give me a call and we'll go shooting.


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THe only problem is, the last one MC Sports has is the floor model, but I either wait for my super sweet gun or I go with one that's been only handled a little.


Do not get a floor model!  I guarantee you'll be disappointed in the long run.  Have you ever watched a newb reef on a model gun at a gun store?

Besides, why the heck are you buying your XD at MC Sports?  That's like buying a lawnmower from KMart.  The price difference probably won't be very significant, so save up and we'll go to a real gun store.  If you're up for a drive to Hastings, I'll take you to the best gun store in Michigan.  We can even call ahead and make sure they have what you want in stock.


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Reply #1180 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 10:03am
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Stick wrote on Feb 26th, 2009 at 11:45am:
I got the XDm and it has some nice upgrades from the standard XD.  You may want to check that out before purchasing.

Hey bob, why can't I find any decently priced ar-15 mags?  I check with Magpul and their 20 round pmags have been sold out for almost a year.  Where can I get some!??!


We've got to go out shooting.  I want to try out an XDm so bad!  I'll bring my Kahr just in case you guys want to try out a "Cadillac" carry piece.

I haven't looked for AR mags for awhile, but I'd try Auction Arms, Gun Broker, and the AR15.com Equipment Exchange.  I'll take a look around for you once I get back to Michigan.

Out of curiosity, why are you buying 20rd mags?


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Reply #1181 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 10:15am
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Stick wrote on Feb 26th, 2009 at 10:46pm:
What is... Why do you want a regular springfield XD, Alex.

...And why do you want a .45?


Because 10mm is too expensive?



Honestly, I think the .40S&W is the pinnacle of the form.  9mm is too weak for proper penetration (hah!), and .45ACP is too large to allow for acceptable capacities in concealable pistols.  For the record, double-stack .45's aren't concealable (unless you're Wes's Mom).  .40S&W falls right in the middle.  It has acceptable stopping power in a form factor that allows reasonable capacities.

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Reply #1182 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 10:44am
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Stick wrote on Feb 26th, 2009 at 10:46pm:
What is... Why do you want a regular springfield XD, Alex.


Because they're dead sexy.




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So bob what do you recommend for a first pistol. I don't really buy into all this "stopping power" stuff even judging by that chart the 9mm doesn't look bad. A bullet in the head or heart is still gonna kill.

My goal is to repeatedly be able to put a bullet in the same spot very very quickly. If there's going to be major recoil or flash or who knows what, then that's prolly not for me. I don't have time to be at a range every week getting my skillz up to par. (unfortunately)

now my 2nd handgun after I'm comfortable with the first will prolly pack more punch.

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So bob what do you recommend for a first pistol. I don't really buy into all this "stopping power" stuff even judging by that chart the 9mm doesn't look bad. A bullet in the head or heart is still gonna kill.


It's very true that a 9mm is sufficient for many scenarios.  If I got into a gunfight, I'd want the biggest caliber in my arsenal at my side, but "a .22 in hand beats a .50 at home."  That's why I bought my Kahr P9 in 9mm last summer.  My .40S&W XD is a great gun, but it's just too frickin' big and heavy to carry around during the summer.  Although I'd rather have 12 rounds of .40S&W on me instead of 8 rounds of 9mm, all the ammo in the world does me no good if I don't have it with me.


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My goal is to repeatedly be able to put a bullet in the same spot very very quickly.


That's a noble goal, but it takes a lot of work.  You have to practice until you can aim by muscle memory alone.  When you're in an incredibly high-stress situation like a shooting, the only thing you have to rely on is muscle memory because your brain isn't going to be working.

I honestly hope none of us are ever placed in a position where we have to draw down on another human being, but as all we start taking responsibility for own families (wives, and eventually kids), it's something we really need to be prepared to do.



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If there's going to be major recoil or flash or who knows what, then that's prolly not for me. I don't have time to be at a range every week getting my skillz up to par. (unfortunately)


There are a couple of things to consider here.  First, recoil is just as much tied to your firearm and choice of ammunition as it is the caliber.  Second, flash is almost entirely a component of barrel length and ammunition.  A snub-nosed .38 revolver shooting hot-loaded hollow points will have a much bigger flash than a Desert Eagle shooting .50AE, even though the round is only about 30% of the size.  Of course, modifications like muzzle brakes will also drastically increase flash signatures.

That said, virtually any gun will produce a noticeable flash in dark areas.  Most self-defense shootings occur after dark, and even the tamest pistol will wreck your night vision if fired after dark.  Make sure you aim your first shot, because you won't be able to afterward!

I think 9mm is an excellent choice for a concealed carry weapon because it offers high capacities, low recoil, and a very small form factor.  If I has a position where I could open carry (i.e. law enforcement), I would go with a larger caliber purely for stopping power, but that's not a luxury I have.

We all need to get together and hit the range.  I'll bring my 9mm Kahr so you can get a taste of a concealable 9mm.




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now my 2nd handgun after I'm comfortable with the first will prolly pack more punch.  what do you recommend?


That's what I'm talking about!  If you want a "fun gun" that has some punch and can be customized like no other, look to the lowly 1911.  It was the official sidearm of the US military for over 70 years, and there is a push to re-adopt them by many military officials.  Several special forces units are once again using the 1911 as their sole sidearm.



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