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Reply #525 - Feb 6th, 2007 at 11:14am
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Here's a fun read to get your blood boiling.  Is there any doubt that our govt and media are owned and support the views not of the people they are suppose to serve and protect but those that wish to make a buck and kill us all?

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No Law To Mandate Dangerous, Untested HPV Vaccine
Media hoax fools parents into thinking Merck shots are mandatory, big pharma laughs as obscene profits roll in

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Prison Planet
Tuesday, February 6, 2007

A media hoax has fooled parents in Texas and other areas of the country that the HPV vaccine, which experts have slammed as untested and has already been linked to dangerous side-effects, is now the law and young girls must take it. Merck Pharmaceuticals are set to capitalize on this fraud by making obscene profits from a crony deal with Governor Rick Perry, while children are put at risk.

Perry issued an executive order Friday requiring girls to be vaccinated against the sexually transmitted HPV, or human pappilomavirus. Doctors, scientists and experts were not consulted before the sweeping mandate was put in place. Several Texas lawmakers, including Sen. Jane Nelson, have petitioned for a reversal of the decision but the Legislature has no authority to repeal Perry's executive order.

According to the Associated Press, Perry has close ties to Merck, having received money from them for his re-election campaign .

"He also has ties to Women in Government, a Merck-funded advocacy group made up of female state legislators around the country. His current chief of staff's mother-in-law, Texas Republican state Rep. Dianne White Delisi, is a state director for the group," reports the AP.

Perry's former chief of staff Mike Toomey is on the Merck payroll as a lobbyist.

Almost immediately following Perry's announcement, newspapers and TV stations began to report that it was "the law" that parents had to have their child vaccinated. This reflects a national and international hoax that is repeatedly being perpetrated shortly before school terms begin each year.

There is no law in America, aside from those applying to medical workers, that says you or your child has to take any vaccine whatsoever, no matter what any executive order, requirement, mandate or policy dictates, there is no situation where you can go to prison for refusing a government vaccine under the U.S. constitution and the law of the land.

As in the case of all other vaccines, Perry's executive order merely states that the vaccine is "recommended," yet the mass media drumbeat constantly conditions people to believe that if they don't take their shots they will be kicked out of school, arrested and thrown in jail. This trick will continue to hoodwink Americans into taking all manner of dangerous and untested vaccines, the number of which rises every year, until they realize that there is no law that forces them to take any vaccine.

This issue is of vital importance not just to Texans but to everyone across the country, because all fifty states have been the target of Merck Pharmaceutical's biggest lobbying effort ever to get this vaccine mandated throughout the nation, by paying off Governors and other officials to curry favor. Merck were unable to sell the "benefits" of the vaccine to make enough profit out of it, so instead they turned to state legislature to force eleven year old girls (and in other states children as young as eight) who aren't even sexually active to take the shot.

A lot of states have rejected Merck's advances outright but Texas could provoke a chain reaction that would influence other areas to submit to big pharma's agenda.

What is actually in the vaccine? Live genetically engineered cancer virus. As the vaccine spreads in use, reports of horrible side effects are already starting to proliferate.

"Negative side effects of Gardasil, a new Merck vaccine to prevent the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer, are being reported in the District of Columbia and 20 states, including Virginia. The reactions range from loss of consciousness to seizures," reports the Washington Times.

"Young girls are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness, temporary loss of vision and some girls have lost consciousness during what appear to be seizures," said Vicky Debold, health policy analyst for the National Vaccine Information Center, a nonprofit watchdog organization that was created in the early 1980s to prevent vaccine injuries."

The report quotes physicians who debunk the claim that the HPV vaccine even prevents cervical cancer, as is claimed by Merck and the FDA.

"There is no proof Gardasil will stop cervical cancer," said Clayton Young, an obstetrician/gynecologist in Texas, "They haven't been studying it long enough to make that claim."

Merck makes 360 dollars per shot, equaling billions of dollars in fat profits from bullying or paying off legislatures to mandate the vaccine.

Media spin has succeeded in turning the debate into a partisan issue, putting liberals to sleep, aided by deluded conservatives who are only against the executive order because it seemingly encourages teenagers to have pre-marital sex.

The core of the issue has nothing to with partisan bickering about abstinence, it's about the fundamental human right to not have your body meddled with on the order of a government mandate which isn't even a law. Liberals will whine all day about their right to kill babies in the womb, arguing that the government shouldn't interfere with what a woman chooses to do with her body, but when it comes to mandatory vaccines, they're all for it!

As an example, check out this commentary from the liberal Crooks and Liars website.

"Seriously, this is such a no-brainer that I'm surprised other states haven't jumped on the bandwagon. The whole wingnut argument that this encourages girls to have sex is a bit bizarre to me. As a mom, I truly hope that my daughter will have a fulfilling sex life when she's an adult. I don't see how a shot in the sixth grade will make her more likely to have sex at a younger age. But if I can do something to prevent her from getting cancer in her 40s, what's the problem with that?"

The problem is that men in black uniforms holding your child down and sticking a needle in their arm by executive order whether you like it or not is un-American. Liberals will cry Roe vs. Wade all day long when it comes to aborting babies but when it comes to the "choice" of letting the government inject their child with whatever they like by force, the pro-choicers are eager to comply.

Vaccines and drugs that are not stringently tested and are instead foisted upon populations for the purposes of making obscene profits have a clear history of deadly consequences.


Consider the case of Bayer Pharmaceuticals, who deliberately dumped a vaccine that was known to be contaminated with AIDS virus on the European and Latin American market after it killed people in America. Thousands died from an action that the U.S. government allowed to happen through the FDA.

Peruse the plethora of examples where vaccines containing mercury, live HIV virus, live cancer and other horrors have wrought misery after victims were bullied into taking them by government mandates that they were deluded into thinking was the law.

The history alone, a legacy that led former director of the National Institute of Health Dr. James R. Shannon to state, "The only safe vaccine is one that is never used," implores us to stand up and fight Perry's collusion with Merck and ensure that similar executive orders are not passed elsewhere in the country as a result of cynical greed driven lobbying and corporate crony payoffs.

Parents across the country should rally to denounce this development, which sets the pretext for the state to dictate the health of their children, as well as moving us closer to legislation which would allow Americans to be forcibly vaccinated at gunpoint against their will during a time of manufactured crisis, such as in the case of a human to human bird flu pandemic.
  

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Reply #526 - Feb 7th, 2007 at 8:46am
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  Bill Banning iPods In Crosswalks Slated For Albany

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Wednesday, February 7, 2007 

NEW YORK First it was cell phones in cars, then trans fats. Now, a new plan is on the table to ban gadget use while crossing city streets.

We all seem to have one -- an iPod, a BlackBerry, a cell phone -- taking up more and more of our time, but can they make us too distracted to walk safely? Some people think so.

If you use them in the crosswalk, your favorite electronic devices could be in the crosshairs.

Legislation will be introduced in Albany on Wednesday to lay a $100 fine on pedestrians succumbing to what State Sen. Carl Kruger calls iPod oblivion.


You know what ever happen to people being a majority of conservative?  I mean we thought we voted one into the White House so you'd assume people would want less govt intrusion into their lives.  So why are they letting these legislatures get away with banning everything and anything?  Well apathy of course but this is pretty stupid.  Although with last weeks Boston sadness I'm not too surprised at anything anymore.  But again, what are people thinking?  Do they really think over legislating will protect more people?  Keep reading to listen to the idocy of the police state that is New York.

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"We're talking about people walking sort of tuned in and in the process of being tuned in, tuned out," Kruger said. "Tuned out to the world around them. They're walking into speeding cars. They're walking into buses. They're walking into one another and it's creating a number of fatalities that have been documented right here in the city."


Well let's break this down shall we?  Do Ipod users, who live in NYC not know the horrible drivers that are there and the amount of traffic in their city just walk right out into traffic?  I'm sure some do...but isn't that just Darwin at work?  Also are Ipods sound devices?  How does music in the ear affect someone from walking across a street?  Also do the Ipods cause these people to do stupid things or is it that more people have the devices and it's a coincidence of sorts that some wear them?  I'm sure that more people get killed by speeding car NOT wearing Ipods so I would make a law requiring everyone to wear and use an Ipod to keep them safer from speeding cars...then Apple could send me a huge check!  I like the last sentence there about people walking into one another and it's creating people's death?  Man, NY people are built like the Incredible Hulk in order to walk into people hard enough to cause death!  Also...IT'S BLOODY NEW YORK CITY!!!  You can't help but walk into people and in a big city accidents are going to happen.  And if you're so concerned about speeding cars and buses hitting Ipod users why not just ban those too!?

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Pedestrians have been hurt and killed in the manner Kruger describes. Not surprisingly, though, iPod users are less than thrilled with the senator's proposal.


Again...correlation, causation, or just playing the numbers?

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"That's not a distraction," said one woman, iPod securely implanted in her ears. "You have your iPod in your ears and you're crossing the street, you are looking with your eyes. You don't have to hear anything, really ... I guess."


Oh sure pick a quote where the person doubts herself at the very end...this woman made my point for me but at the end had to be a moron.  I think these legislatures are trying to get people to interact with their surroundings instead of just internalizing themselves by hiding in their walkmans. 

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Added another New Yorker: "It's a terrible idea. It's outrageous."

Kruger said not so fast.

"If you want to listen to your iPod, sit down and listen to it," Kruger declared. "You want to walk in the park, enjoy it. You want to jog around a jogging path, all the more power to you, but you should be crossing streets and endangering yourself and the lives of others."


I want to kick the guy in the butt.  He's saying you can be running, deprived of water and oxygen and listen to an Ipod won't cause any injuries or you to run into people than walking causually down the street?  I wonder if Ipods will soon become the IEDs of Boston.  "HE'S GOT AN IPOD!!!  HELP!  POLICE!  TERRORIST!!!"

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Kruger's bill would only apply to big cities across New York state. We don't know what kind of support it has in Albany, but he hopes that the New York City Council, which has already banned indoor smoking and trans fats in restaurants, will pick up the cue.


Let's see what else we can ban?  Children in public because people will hear them crying and run right out into traffic.  Oh let's ban talking while walking down the street...cause with Ipods...it's the same deal.  Then let's ban cell phones except in homes...without children.  Let's ban movies where smoking occurs, burgers are eaten, people are listen to music, and are fishing...cause we have to protect the environment.  How about we ban cars and people from the city!  Then no one would be hurt and we have protected everyone!

Come on people...stop this over legislation of our rights.

"A government that has the power to grant people rights has the power to take them away."

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Reply #527 - Feb 8th, 2007 at 4:47pm
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Ground Zero EMT: We Were Told Building 7 Was to Be "Pulled"
New Jersey Emergency Medical Technician asked "how could someone have rigged all these explosives?" before towers collapsed, support columns had been blown out

Prison Planet | February 8, 2007
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A New Jersey EMT has gone public on how emergency workers were told that Building 7 was going to be "pulled," before a 20 second demolition countdown broadcast over radio preceded its collapse. The ground zero rescue worker also blows the whistle on how he witnessed multiple underground support columns of the WTC towers that had been severed before the buildings imploded.

In a letter to Loose Change producer Dylan Avery, the individual who wishes to remain anonymous refering to himself only as Mike, 30, NJ, describes how he has repeatedly tried to alert numerous authorities to what he saw on 9/11 but was ignored or told to "shut up" on every occasion, and ultimately fired for disorderly conduct.

The EMT now dismisses the official government explanation of events and slams the 9/11 commission as a "whitewash."

Having been in his profession for six years, the individual states that he was at ground zero before, during and after the collapse. He was forced to flee from the falling towers and take cover under a bus shelter as debris rained down all around him, leaving his lungs poisoned today with the toxic dust that 9/11 heroes were exposed to as a result of a cover-up on behalf of Condoleezza Rice and the EPA that assured workers ground zero air was safe to breathe.

The EMT made the decision to make his claims public after becoming aggrieved at how 9/11 debunkers were viciously attacking the creators of Loose Change for questioning the events of 9/11 in their film, which has now aired on numerous international television stations and has been seen by millions on the Internet.

In his enthralling testimony, the EMT goes into graphic detail of how he and others personally witnessed a plethora of explosions at all points of the buildings before their collapse.

"There were explosions. There were flashes. There was molten metal running down the I-beams of the basement levels like lava flows. I've never seen anything like it. Yes, planes hit the buildings - anybody who says otherwise is a moron. But the explosions - the rapid, symmetrical, sequential explosions - they happened," states 'Mike'.

He explains how he and others were in the basement of one of the towers helping injured victims when he saw "One of the huge steel and concrete support pillars with an 8 foot section blown out of the center of it." Looking around, Mike saw other support columns that were in the same condition, prompting rescue personal to ask "how could someone have rigged all these explosives?"

"We stood outside listening to the explosions," states Mike, "One after the other, every minute or so. At one point, about 10 minutes before the first collapse, a 30 foot or so section of the courtyard exploded straight up into the air. Just before the collapses, a series of deep, below ground explosions, then numerous explosions in the buildings upper floors. Then we ran. We felt the same deep explosions before the second collapse. This was not just the planes."

The rescue worker concludes emphatically, "The buildings were rigged, there is no question about it."

Perhaps of even more interest, the EMT relates the fact that hundreds of emergency rescue personnel were told over bullhorns that Building 7, a 47 story skyscraper adjacent the twin towers that was not hit by a plane yet imploded symmetrically later in the afternoon on 9/11, was about to be "pulled" and that a 20 second radio countdown preceded its collapse.

Following news reports in the days after the attack that Building 7 had collapsed due to fire damage, Mike fully expected this mistake to be corrected after the chaos had subsided, but was astonished when it became part of the official story.

Questions about Building 7 came to the fore in January 2004 when footage of WTC complex owner Larry Silverstein telling a September 2002 PBS documentary that after consultation with the FDNY the decision was made to "pull" the building surfaced on the Internet.


I really hope this guy goes public.  Because if he does and his story can be corroborated...Popular Mechanics and Skeptic Magazine will be shoved into the light as liars for claiming to see pictures of WTC7 that shows it "just collapsed".  Although they don't show these photos and were the only "civilians" to see them.  Not to mention the editor of that article in Pop Mechs is the first cousin of Michael Chertoff...director of Homeland Security.  I really hope more comes out on this before the next "terrorist" attack.

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Reply #528 - Feb 8th, 2007 at 8:09pm
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Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, has been confronted in congress over the US administration's failure to provide firm evidence for Iran's alleged nuclear weapons development.

Ron Paul, a Republican congressman, said: "Unproven charges against Iran's nuclear intentions are eerily reminiscent of the false charges made against Iraq."
     
Paul said "unproven accusations of Iranian support for the Iraqi insurgency" were also serving as a pretext for "escalating our sharp rhetoric towards Iran".

"Pressed for proof of dramatic claims of Iranian involvement in Iraq, the administration keeps promising that they are compiling it."


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He said: "This sounds like Iraq, where accusations came first and proof was supposed to come later – only that proof never came because the accusations turned out to be false."



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Ron Paul is definitely a true American and one of the only ones left in the federal system.  I can't wait to see him run for President...I'm supporting him no matter what party he runs under.  He has shown himself to be a man of true principals and freedom.

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Ok...I really hate this country right now!

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Men jailed for being on public sidewalk
Gideons arrested after school officials complain they were handing out Bibles
Posted: February 8, 2007
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Two men who are members of Gideons International, the Christian organization that is famous for, among other ministries, placing Bibles in motels and giving them to children, have been arrested after trying to hand out Bibles on a public sidewalk in Florida, according to a law firm.

Officials with the Alliance Defense Fund have confirmed they will be representing Anthony Mirto and Ernest Simpson, who were arrested, booked into jail and charged with trespassing.

Jeremy Tedesco, one of the ADF's lawyers on the case, confirmed to WND that the organization's clients were on a public sidewalk when they were handing out Bibles and school officials summoned police.

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"The First Amendment protects the right to engage in religious speech on a public sidewalk," ADF Senior Legal Counsel David Cortman said. "Members of the Gideons have been highly respected for decades as peaceful providers of free Bibles to those who want them."


Principal Annette Martinson

The arrest happened Jan. 19, when Mirto and Simpson were on the sidewalk outside of Key Largo School in Key Largo, Fla., and were distributing copies of the Bible to those interested.


Monroe County Sheriff Richard Roth

"Neither man entered school grounds," the law firm said. "After the school's principal called police, a Monroe County sheriff's officer asked the men to leave immediately or face trespassing charges. As the men prepared to leave, the officer decided to arrest both individuals."

A hearing is scheduled March 5 in Monroe County Court in the cases, and ADF attorneys are preparing motions to dismiss the charges.

"Officials cannot use fear of arrest as a means of bullying law-abiding Christians into silence," Cortman said. "These men broke no laws when they decided to communicate their message on a public sidewalk."

Tedesco noted that sometimes school officials have a misconception about whether they can control activities on school grounds and adjacent public sidewalks. But the First Amendment does provide a protection for speech on those parcels of ground that are public, he said.

"There's no reason why they should be put in jail," he said.

In a statement to WND, Becky Herrin, of the public information office in the Monroe County sheriff's office, stated as a fact the point that the defendants in the case clearly are disputing, and which ultimately may have to be decided by a jury.

"A copy of our police report (see attached) … clearly states that the people in question were arrested for trespassing on school property – not on a public sidewalk… In fact, they were given the opportunity to step off school property and onto public property, and they could have continued with their activities if they had done so. They chose instead to remain, against repeated warnings, on school property so deputies were forced to arrest them," Herrin stated.

The report forwarded to WND, however, reveals the two were arrested while in their truck in a "no parking" zone. The report said that on the complaint from school principal Annette Martinson, when the two defendants were ordered by the deputy to leave an area that included a bike path, "both defendants slowly walked away towards a teal in color pick up truck that was parked in a no parking zone in front of the school."

One suspect then wanted the officer's ID, and, "I then handed Simpson … my business card and he continued to walk toward the parked truck," said the police allegation from officer John Perez.

The officer then confirms, "I observed both defendants enter the pick up truck and remain seated inside." He watched for several minutes, then approached the pickup truck, parked in a "no parking" zone, "I asked both defendants why they where (sic) refusing to leave," and "Defendant Simpson III stated, we where (sic) just leaving."

Perez then confirmed that after he got a call from the sheriff's office notifying him that Simpson was complaining "about a deputy at the Key Largo School asking him to leave, I advised Sgt. Mixon I was out with Simpson and he was going to be placed under arrest for trespassing."

"The truck was parked in a no parking zone in front of the school … not on a public street but on school property. The only 'public street' adjacent to the school is Highway U.S. One and there is no parking on the highway," Herrin added.

The ADF is a legal alliance defending the right to hear and speak the truth, through strategy, training, funding and litigation.

The Gideons, a group founded in the late 1800s, has as its "sole purpose" the goal "to win men, women, boys and girls to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ through association for service, personal testimony, and distributing the Bible in the human traffic lanes and streams of everyday life."

Members of the Gideons, who pay their own expenses so 100 percent of the donations to the group go toward Bible purchases and distributions, have placed the Bible in 181 nations in 82 different languages over the years.

The organization focuses on hotels and motels, hospitals and nursing homes, schools, colleges and universities, the military and law enforcement and prisons and jails.

"The demand for Scriptures in these areas far exceeds our supplies that we are able to purchase through our donations. Much more could be done – if funds were available. However, we are placing and distributing more than 1 million copies of the Word of God, at no cost, every seven days in these areas…" the group said.

The organization only gives away the Bibles with the Gideon logo on the covers, but plain Bibles are available for consumers to purchase at its distribution center at P.O. Box 140800, Nashville, Tenn., 37214-0800. Information about the products is available on the group's website.

The Gideons serve as an extended missionary arm of the Christian church and are the oldest Christian business and professional men's association in the United States.


This is just ludacris!  "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion OR THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF"!!!  If you can't hand out Bibles to people on a public street then you can't let churches be built on public land that is sold to people.  You can't have stores say anything holliday related...any holliday!  I not only hope these faithful Christians get exonerated but they get a state-wide apology and anyone involved gets sued and jailed for violatation of the basic tenant of our Constitution.  It's the 1st Amendment for a reason.  These people didn't force taking Bibles from them.  They didn't talk to anyone who didn't want to talk to them.  Shoot we'ved had these people around our colleges and high schools here!  They only ask if you would like a New Testament with a smile and a Good Day and if you say no...you still get both of those.

I am just so ticked off right now...this is sick.  Also tell me how you can arrest someone for trespassing on a public sidewalk!?  I hope someone question the motives of the "officer" and he's punished to the full extent of the law...if there is any in FL.  It'd be like telling all New Yorkers to get off the sidewalks because they're blocking business entrances.  But from the sound of it this will be heard in front of a jury and it'll be decided if they were on school property or not.  I know the title is a bit misleading because they were not arrested for handing out Bibles but for trespassing but the school officials are anti-religious...no doubt.  Parents go to that school all the time to pick up their kids or people go to watch football games and other sporting events and they are never asked to leave school property.  But when someone has a dangerous Bible...boy howdy watch out!!!

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What a disgrace.  That's completely pathetic and a perfect indicator of where America as a society is headed.

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/120207Pancake.htm

Good debunking video about the Pancake theory.  I love how Nova had to pull off 3 main elements of the building for a pancake collapse to occur.

AND EVEN AFTERWARDS!!!....still had the main center columns still standing...lol whoops!  forgot about those did ya?!

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What: Teenagers taking risque photos of themselves are prosecuted for violating child pornography laws.

When: Florida state appeals court rules on January 19.

Outcome: A 2-1 majority upholds conviction on grounds the girl produced a photograph featuring the sexual conduct of a child.

What happened, according to court documents:
Combine unsupervised teenagers, digital cameras and e-mail, and, given sufficient time, you'll end up with risque photographs on a computer somewhere.

There's a problem with that: Technically, those images constitute child pornography. That's what 16-year-old Amber and 17-year-old Jeremy, her boyfriend, both residents of the Tallahassee, Fla., area, learned firsthand. (Court documents include only their initials, A.H. and J.G.W., so we're using these pseudonyms to make this story a little easier to read.)

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On March 25, 2004, Amber and Jeremy took digital photos of themselves naked and engaged in unspecified "sexual behavior." The two sent the photos from a computer at Amber's house to Jeremy's personal e-mail address. Neither teen showed the photographs to anyone else.

Court records don't say exactly what happened next--perhaps the parents wanted to end the relationship and raised the alarm--but somehow Florida police learned about the photos.

Amber and Jeremy were arrested. Each was charged with producing, directing or promoting a photograph featuring the sexual conduct of a child. Based on the contents of his e-mail account, Jeremy was charged with an extra count of possession of child pornography.

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Amber's attorney claimed that the right to privacy protected by the Florida Constitution shielded the teen from prosecution, an argument that a trial judge rejected. Amber pleaded no contest to the charges and was placed on probation, though she reserved her right to appeal her constitutional claim.

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Wolf speculated that Amber and Jeremy could have ended up selling the photos to child pornographers ("one motive for revealing the photos is profit") or showing the images to their friends. He claimed that Amber had neither the "foresight or maturity" to make a reasonable estimation of the risks on her own. And he said that transferring the images from a digital camera to a PC created innumerable problems: "The two computers (can) be hacked."

Judge Philip Padovano dissented. He wrote that the law "was designed to protect children from abuse by others, but it was used in this case to punish a child for her own mistake. In my view, the application of this criminal statute to the conduct at issue violates the child's right to privacy under Article 1, Section 23 of the Florida Constitution."


Who is the victim of this crime?  Are our parents going to get thrown in prison because they (like all parents) have pictures of their toddlers naked?  Just wondering what you guys think about this?

The irony of this situation is that it is most likely legal for them to get together and have real, actual sex, but pictures of a simulated act are illegal.  If anything, I hope their parents beat the living crap out of them for being stupid, but getting busted for child pornography?  Ridiculous.

I'm guessing it was the girl's father that turned them in to the police.  Good job, Dad. You just screwed up your little girl's life. Where ever she moves from now on, people will protest outside her house to force the "registered sex offender" to leave.  Wonderful parenting!  I bet he thought "I'll show that stupid kid" but didn't realize it takes two to tango, including his "precious little angel."

This was a victimless crime.  Child Pornography laws are supposed to protect children from becoming victims, but this application of the law has done the opposite by turning children into victims.

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Hacker cracks HD copy protection
Years to develop; days to break

By Dan Goodin in San Francisco
Published Wednesday 14th February 2007 00:38 GMT



A lone hacker has unlocked the master key preventing the copying of high-definition DVDs in a development that is sure to get the entertainment industry's knickers wrapped tighter than a magnet's coil. What's more, the individual was able to defeat the technology with no cracking tools or reverse engineering, despite the millions of dollars and many years engineers put into developing the AACS (Advanced Access Content System) for locking down high-definition video.

A hacker going by the name arnezami on the Doom9 discussion boards, has been hard at work for at least the past eight days, when he first claimed to have discovered how to read the volume ID of the movie King Kong. Over the coming days, he documented his progress, with the Eureka moment occurring on Sunday, when he was able to confirm the validity of his method for identifying the processing key. Combining the two allowed him to unlock the copy protection.

After getting some much-needed sleep, arnezami was back to explain how he accomplished his feat. While his player loaded the Kong disc, he closely looked for changes being made to a certain part of his computer memory. Making a memdump with the WinHex file editor, he was about to find the key fairly easily.

Forum participants continue to debate the implications of arnezami's handiwork. What's known for sure is that his hack unlocks the encryption used to protect content on every Blu-ray and HD DVD disc released to date. Several participants have downplayed the significance of the discovery, reasoning that it could be undermined in the future if the keys are changed or revoked.

But arnezami and others argue it will not be possible for copyright holders to squeeze the toothpaste back into the tube. If a processing key is revoked, hackers can use a player compatible with the new one, insert a disc that's already been cracked, and sniff around in memory for the new processing key.

This week's hack is only the latest sign that the plan to prevent the copying of digital content is less straightforward than Hollywood hoped. Over the past two months, a hacker on the same discussion board who goes by the nick muslix64 disclosed other ways to circumvent copy protections in Blu-ray and HD DVD. Unlike arnezami's method, however, the earlier approach relies on obtaining the unique key for a particular title, making the hack more cumbersome.


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What body has a 3 panel system?  Not even school boards are this low.  Also, if this is a circuit court aren't there at least 5 people on the bench?  I'm sorry but if you can't have a 3 person jury then I don't think you can have a 3 judge panel.  Even if that's what it is.

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Court documents include only their initials, A.H. and J.G.W., so we're using these pseudonyms to make this story a little easier to read.)
".  So they're going to be convicted of a sex crime, have to register for the child predator list, and have to face legal time...but they're not going to be named in the court documents?!

This story reminds me of MC Esher's drawing of 2 hands drawing each other.  It seems like the law wants to protect children...but what happens when the children don't want the protection.  The law is trying to do too much and I blame the judiciary for trying to make new law.  When are the days when judges said..."Well we could interpret this...but let's shoot it to the legislative and have them decided what they want to do."  I know judges have lost a lot of power to politicians but that's the path I would have taken...although with a 3 PANEL SYSTEM HOW HARD IS IT TO GET THINGS PASSED!!!???

I would also like to know...what about the children that are illegally being taken photos of for money and sex and drugs?  Are they going to be prosecuted as well?  "Well we know you're hooked on every drug and have had sex with everything you've seen and you're only 8...but you're under arrest for being involved with child porn!"  Boom!  Slammer time and sex offenders list for life.  Have fun with that thought.

I would throw these parents into jail for being morons as to what their kids are doing.  Also I agree with you Bob, this chick's dad probably thought "Hey on COPS only the guy gets in trouble.   Plus my little princess would never do anything like this unless force!"  Instead of...ya know...actually punishing her...FOR LIFE!

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Child Pornography laws are supposed to protect children from becoming victims, but this application of the law has done the opposite by turning children into victims.


Not only turning them into victims but also turning them into criminals for participating.  Have little 4 y/o Johnny and Susie the youngest sex offenders and in jail.  This is great for sexual predators.  All they have to do is search the sex offenders website for children who are into what they are!!!

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On the hacking HD story...good job.  I wonder if they did what Windows does to its OS' and made the DMCA protection and just changed all values of DVD to HD DVD.  Good for him...hopefully the code will be up and posted so that people can learn to do more with the new technology instead of having no control over their own physical property!

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Reply #536 - Feb 14th, 2007 at 3:56pm
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For what it's worth, this is the exact opposite of judicial activism.  They followed the law so exactingly that common sense went out the window.  Technically, the suspects *did* break the law.  The problem is the law was written so poorly as to include a subset of behavior it was never intended to cover.

The problem here is with the legislature for drafting a law without proper limitations and a prosecutor who pressed charges for absolutely no reason.  The judge should have recommended a jury trial and pushed for jury nullification.

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Reply #537 - Feb 14th, 2007 at 10:00pm
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The Seminal | February 13, 2007

A bill introduced last week by Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX) is beginning to raise eyebrows.

[It] would require ISPs to record all users' surfing activity, IM conversations and email traffic indefinitely . The bill, dubbed the Safety Act by sponsor Lamar Smith, a republican congressman from Texas, would impose fines and a prison term of one year on ISPs which failed to keep full records. (emphasis mine)

This is a terrifying development and it must be stopped before it gains any significant momentum. Background, Action items and contact information below the fold.

Under the guise of reducing child pornography, the SAFETY (Stopping Adults Facilitating the Exploitation of Today's Youth) Act is currently the gravest threat to digital privacy rights on the Internet. Given the increasing tendency of people, especially young people, to use the Internet as a primary means of communication, this measure would affect nearly all Americans in ways we are only beginning to understand. Also, given the fact that the Act requires all Internet Service Providers to record the web surfing activity of all Internet users, this amounts to the warrantless wiretapping of the entire Internet.

Amazingly, although the bill was introduced and referred to the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday Feb. 6, it has been virtually ignored by both the corporate media and major blogs alike. By combining such draconian legislation with several child pornography measures, Smith is trying to pull a fast one on the Judiciary Committee and on the democratically controlled Congress as a whole. I say we don't let this happen. So, first, a little background information. Then below, I've outlined a few actions you can take if you'd like to spread the word on this.

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The original SAFETY Act, introduced in June of 2006 by Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ), was shot down due to free speech concerns over aspects of the bill other than the ones I've focused on here. At the time, the Center for Democracy and Technology wrote that the bill “would undermine First Amendment free speech protections and do nothing to protect children on the Internet.”

So what was Lamar Smith's response, you ask? He added the misguided measures discussed above in an attempt to fulfill the demands of the FBI. In an October 2006 conference of police chiefs, FBI Director Robert Mueller made the following statement :

Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms. All too often, we find that before we can catch these offenders, Internet service providers have unwittingly deleted the very records that would help us identify these offenders and protect future victims.

Mueller was signaling to Congress that he would like to see measures put in place that would require ISPs to store records of all Internet usage so he could access it when he felt it was neccessary. But, as has been pointed out :

The thing about retention laws is that they require all data to be maintained, not simply the data from child pornographers and terrorists. This means that such laws are usually favored by other, unrelated groups who would like access to such log files. Groups like the music labels. In Europe, where retention rules are already in place, the entertainment industry has already stated its belief that the data should be available for use in the investigation of any crime, even copyright infringement.

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There are two ways to make members of Congress listen to your concerns.

1. Inundate them with phone calls and emails.
2. Get negative media coverage of what they are trying to accomplish.

Please contact any or all of the people and organizations listed below. Let them know that the SAFETY ACT, as it is written, is not acceptable.

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Rep. Lamar Smith, web form , 202-225-4236

Cosponsors:
Rep. Steve Chabot, (202) 225-2216
Rep. Tom Feeney, (202) 225-2706
Rep. J. Randy Forbes, (202) 225-6365
Rep. Trent Franks, (202) 225-4576
Rep. Elton Gallegly, (202) 225-5811
Rep. Dan Lungren, (202) 225-5716
Rep. Mike Pence, (202) 225-3021

House Judiciary Committee Chair:
Rep. John Conyers, (202) 225-5126


How fun would that be for everyone.  Also...who's going to monitor that and go through it.  Oh that's right a big honking computer(s) that are looking for keywords!

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That bill is just a pipe dream.  Even if it were to be passed into law, there is no way in Hell any company could store even a tiny portion of web traffic.



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This judge flip flopped more than John Kerry...and what's worse...what he did actually mattered!!!

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In a rebuke of a surveillance practice greatly expanded by the New York Police Department after the Sept. 11 attacks, a federal judge ruled today that the police must stop the routine videotaping of people at public gatherings unless there was an indication that unlawful activity may occur.

Nearly four years ago, at the request of New York City, the same judge, Charles S. Haight Jr., had given the police greater authority to investigate political, social and religious groups.

In today’s ruling, however, Judge Haight of Federal District Court in Manhattan found that by videotaping people who were exercising their right to free speech and breaking no laws, the Police Department had ignored the milder limits he had imposed on it in 2003.

Citing two events in 2005 — a march in Harlem and a demonstration by homeless people in front of the Upper East Side home of Mayor Michael Bloomberg — the judge said the city offered scant justification for videotaping the people involved.

“There was no reason to suspect or anticipate that unlawful or terrorist activity might occur,” he wrote, “or that pertinent information about or evidence of such activity might be obtained by filming the earnest faces of those concerned citizens and the signs by which they hoped to convey their message to a public official.”

While he called the police conduct “egregious,” Judge Haight also offered an unusual judicial mea culpa, taking responsibility for his own words in a 2003 order that, he conceded, had not been “a model of clarity.”

The restrictions on videotaping do not apply to bridges, tunnels, airports, subways or street traffic, Judge Haight noted, but are meant to control police surveillance at events where people gather to exercise their rights under the First Amendment.

"No reasonable person, and surely not this court, is unaware of the perils the New York public faces and the crucial importance of the N.Y.P.D.’s efforts to detect, prevent and punish those who would cause others harm," Judge Haight wrote.

Jethro Eisenstein, one of the lawyers who challenged the videotaping practices, said Judge Haight’s ruling would make it possible to contest other surveillance tactics, including the use of undercover officers at political gatherings. In recent years, police officers have disguised themselves as protesters, shouted feigned objections when uniformed officers were making arrests, and pretended to be mourners at a memorial event for bicycle riders killed in traffic accidents.

“This was a major push by the corporation counsel to say that the guidelines are nice but they’re yesterday’s news, and that the security establishment’s view of what is important trumps civil liberties,” Mr. Eisentstein said. “Judge Haight is saying that’s just not the way we’re doing things in New York City.”

A spokesman for Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly referred questions about the ruling to the city’s lawyers, who noted that Judge Haight did not set a deadline for destroying the tapes it had already made, and that the judge did not find the city had violated the First Amendment.

Nevertheless, Judge Haight — at times invoking the mythology of the ancient Greeks and of Harold Ross, the founding editor of The New Yorker — used blunt language to characterize the Police Department’s activities.

“There is no discernible justification for the apparent disregard of the Guidelines” in his 2003 court order, the judge said. These spell out the broad circumstances under which the police could investigate political gatherings.

Under the guidelines, the police may conduct investigations — including videotaping — at political events only if they have indications that unlawful activity may occur, and only after they have applied for permission to the deputy commissioner in charge of the Intelligence Division.

Judge Haight noted that the Police Department had not produced evidence that any applications for permission to videotape had ever been filed.

Near the end of his 51-page order, the judge warned that the Police Department must change its practices or face penalties

“Any future use by the N.Y.P.D. of video and photographic equipment during the course of an investigation involving political activity” that did not follow the guidelines could result in contempt proceedings, he wrote.

At monthly group bicycle rides in lower Manhattan known as Critical Mass, some participants break traffic laws, and the police routinely videotape those events, Judge Haight noted. That would be an appropriate situation for taping, he said, but police officials did not follow the guidelines and apply for permission.

“This is a classic case of application of the guidelines: political activity on the part of individuals, but legitimate law enforcement purpose on the part of the police,” Judge Haight wrote. “It is precisely the sort of situation where the guidelines require adherence to certain protocols but ultimately give the N.Y.P.D. the flexibility to pursue its law enforcement goals.”

Gideon Oliver, a lawyer who has represented many people arrested during the monthly bicycle rides, said he is troubled by the intensive scrutiny of political activities.

“I’m looking forward to a deeper and more serious exploration of how and why this surveillance has been conducted,” Mr. Oliver said.

In the past, the Police Department has said that it needed intelligence about the Critical Mass rides in order to protect the streets from unruly riders.

Patrick Markee, an official with another group that was cited in the ruling, the Coalition for the Homeless, said the judge’s decision ratified the group’s basic rights to free speech. “We’re gratified that Judge Haight found that the police shouldn’t engage in surveillance of homeless New Yorkers and their supporters when they’re engaged in peaceful, lawful political protest,” Mr. Markee said.

The Police Department’s approach to investigating political, social and religious groups has been a contentious subject for most of four decades, and a class-action lawsuit brought by political activists, including a lawyer named Barbara Handschu, was settled in 1985. Judge Haight oversees the terms of that settlement, which are known as the Handschu Guidelines, and which he modified in 2003.

At the time, Judge Haight said that the police could “attend any event open to the public, on the same terms and conditions of the public generally.”

But in today’s ruling, he said that permission “cannot be stretched to authorize police officers to videotape everyone at a public gathering just because a visiting little old lady from Dubuque (to borrow from The New Yorker) could do so. There is a quantum difference between a police officer and a little old lady (or other tourist or private citizen) videotaping or photographing a public event.”

The judge said he bore some responsibility for misinterpretation of the guidelines.

“I confess with some chagrin that while the text of this opinion and its implementing order, read together, may not be as opaque as the irritatingly baffling pronouncements of the Oracle at Delphos, they do not constitute a model of clarity,” he wrote.


What's funny is that this judge basically said the same thing both times (double speak anyone?).  First he said the NYPD could video tape then he "limited" them by saying they only could if they THOUGHT illegal activity would occur.  Well this basically means that if protesters are blocking an entrance police can bust out the cameras and start video tapping.

What the judge should do is limit the ability of police to even monitor these protests.  The only reason they get violent is because police make them so.  Kinda like this protest in Miami, http://cbs4.com/local/local_story_220221644.html , watch both segments (you can see a better version somewhere else on the web) and watch how the legal protesters have become terrorists in the eyes of police.  Watch how far away from police these people are when officers start shooting at them...for no reason!

Ya know if police want to shoot at people they believe are evil...why not join the military...or at least the BATF!!!

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