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Reply #765 - Aug 20th, 2007 at 2:44pm
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From our friends across the pond...

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YouTube row over social services baby threat

Ben Leapman, Home Affairs Correspondent, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 4:01am BST 20/08/2007

A heavily pregnant woman is at the centre of an extraordinary legal battle with social workers after she secretly recorded them threatening to take away her newborn baby.
# YouTube audio: The secret recording

Vanessa Brookes, 34, who is due to give birth early next month, smuggled taping equipment into a meeting with social services officials, fearing they would try to take her baby for forced adoption.
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She recorded a social worker telling her and her husband Martin, 41, that even though there was "no immediate risk to your child from yourselves", the council would seek a court order to place the child in foster care.

Mother and baby would be allowed "two or three days" in hospital together, but should not leave the premises until social workers came to remove the infant. In a desperate attempt to keep their baby, the couple have published the recorded conversation on the internet.

Calderdale council, in West Yorkshire, last night accused them of breaching the Data Protection Act by recording its staff without their knowledge or consent. The council said it had begun legal action to have the recording removed from the YouTube website. Mrs Brookes said: "Even puppies and kittens aren't removed from their mothers at birth. Social workers always record everything, so why shouldn't we record them?"

John Hemming, the Liberal Democrat MP and chairman of campaign group Justice for Families, said: "I find it very odd that a newborn baby would be removed when there is not any allegation by the authorities that the child is at risk. Yet this case is not unique. There are many cases in which newborns are removed because of allegations that their mothers may at some later stage 'emotionally abuse' the child."

The case returns the spotlight to claims that social services are being heavy-handed in removing children from their parents, in order to meet Government adoption targets.

The Sunday Telegraph has previously revealed cases of mothers who were not told why their children were taken away, and cases of families whose children were not returned even after the parents had been cleared of wrongdoing. More than 2,000 babies aged under a year were taken for adoption last year, almost triple the level of a decade ago.

Social services took an interest in the Brookes family after Mrs Brookes, who is partially-sighted, was diagnosed with depression and a personality disorder, leading to concerns that her baby might be subjected to "emotional abuse". Neighbours have complained that the couple's household was disorderly, but neither has been accused of abusing or harming a child.

In the recorded meeting, the social worker tells the couple: "It's our intention as a local authority that when your baby is born, we go into court on that same day and ask for an interim court order because we would wish to place your baby with foster carers."

He tells Mrs Brookes: "I would like you and your baby to stay in hospital until the courts have made a decision."

The social worker says the two or three days the mother has with her baby in hospital will allow her to begin breast-feeding and that once the infant is taken away, social services will pick up expressed breast milk from her home and deliver it to the foster carers for bottle-feeding.

The social worker admits to the couple that a back-up plan is being drawn up in case the judge refuses the application for a care order. He says: "What we also have to think about is a child protection plan that looks at you, at home, with your baby. There is no immediate risk to your child from yourselves, that's my understanding from reading documents."

A spokesman for Calderdale council said officials would seek a meeting with Mr and Mrs Brookes "to understand how this information came into the public domain. We are taking action to have this item removed from YouTube. This recording was made without the knowledge or consent of our member of staff.

"The council does not take lightly any recommendation to the court for a child or a baby to be brought into care. The decision whether or not to institute care proceedings is made by social workers who have to consider the best interests of the child."


Good job, England.  First they take your guns, then they take your baby!

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Reply #766 - Aug 23rd, 2007 at 8:38am
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Wednesday, August 22, 2007
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People who even think about going for a drink face being banned from their town centre for up to two days under wideranging new police powers.

Potential trouble-makers can be asked to move on and stay away – even if they have not touched a drop of alcohol.

Well-behaved people who refuse to stop drinking can also be targeted.

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The banning orders – called 'directions to leave' – can last for 48 hours and any breach can be punished with a fine of up to £2,500.

Fingerprints and DNA samples will be taken.

Ministers insist the new powers are a vital weapon in the fight against drinkrelated violence.

The orders, under the 2006 Violent Crime Reduction Act, came into force yesterday and can be made against anyone over 16.

Police can act against someone for doing nothing more illegal than looking like they might cause alcoholrelated disorder, whether they have started drinking or not.

Those given directions to leave will be handed details on a form, have their photo taken and may even receive a map of the area from which they are banned.

Home Office guidance states an order may be issued 'where an individual – or group of individuals – is in a public place and is causing a nuisance by being loud or troublesome'.

Home Office minister Tony McNulty called the orders 'a valuable tool in the fight to tackle alcoholrelated crime or disorder'.

But Gareth Crossman, policy director at Liberty, said: 'Anti-social behaviour can be a menace but these new powers allow people to be moved on and possibly criminalised even if they are minding their own business.'

The Lib Dems' David Heath added: 'This is just the latest in a long line of pointless Government gimmicks.'


It's scary what this world is becoming.

The thing I can't believe is that finger prints and DNA will be taken even more SUSPICION?  If anyone tried that here in the US with me...they'd never hear the end of it...starting from that first contact.  This is in no way going to help fight "alcohol related crime and disorder" if they really wanted to do that...they'd ban alcohol and close down the bars.  This is just an excuse for the UK to build a DNA/fingerprint/crime database on its citizens.

How did Britain ever become so complacent?  Tony Blair declares the Magna Carta null and void because he's pushing for the EU, even though 70% of the population is against it...and he just moves forward?!  Do that make any sense?  That would be like Bush telling us that the Constitution is being thrown out and the one in the National Hall of Records is being burnt...and he's going to make us a North American Union even though most people are against loosing national sovereignty.

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Reply #767 - Aug 23rd, 2007 at 10:57am
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X wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 at 8:38am:
That would be like Bush telling us that the Constitution is being thrown out and the one in the National Hall of Records is being burnt...


Like when he said, "The constitution is just a $#^*@ piece of paper"?


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...and he's going to make us a North American Union even though most people are against loosing national sovereignty.


Like how he promotes the Security and Prosperity Partnership?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_and_Prosperity_Partnership_of_North_Americ...

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Reply #768 - Aug 23rd, 2007 at 5:08pm
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Exactly, brother...exactly!
  

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Reply #769 - Aug 24th, 2007 at 1:01pm
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http://www.youtube.com/jp.swf?video_id=gAfzUOx53Rg&eurl=http%3A//digg.com/videos...

I don't know if you guys have been following this story...but this is awesome.  This is the first time I've heard of the cops admitting it.  Now we might not be considered crazy when we make claims like this anymore when protesting.

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Reply #770 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 1:44am
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Sad news all who care:

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Patriot Hero Aaron Russo Passes Away



We were saddened to hear of the passing of activist, film maker, freedom fighter and all round maverick Aaron Russo today, who died today after a long battle with cancer at the age of 64.

Aaron will be remembered fondly for all his achievements, not least of which the excellent America: From Freedom to Fascism, his final movie which exposed the fraudulent basis of the IRS and the Federal Reserve.

Aaron was a real patriot who loved his country and risked his whole career to stand for the truth. He was an example to us all.

Aaron Russo was the Samuel Adams of our day, a stalwart defender of liberty, his passing is greatly mourned but his fiery spirit lives on in all of his great work and in his wife, his children and his film America From Freedom to Fascism.

Our deep condolences go out to Aaron's family and friends at this difficult time.


God Speed Aaron, we salute you.


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Reply #771 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 2:28pm
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Well we always knew the govt stole from us...now they're doing it outright!

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August 25, 2007 Highway Robbery

There's really nothing else you can call it:

    Anastasio Prieto of El Paso gave a state police officer at the weigh station permission to search the truck to see if it contained "needles or cash in excess of $10,000," according to the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed the federal lawsuit Thursday.

    Prieto told the officer he didn't have any needles but did have $23,700.

    Officers took the money and turned it over to the DEA. DEA agents photographed and fingerprinted Prieto over his objections, then released him without charging him with anything.

    Border Patrol agents searched his truck with drug-sniffing dogs, but found no evidence of illegal substances, the ACLU said.

    DEA agents told Prieto he would receive a notice of federal proceedings to permanently forfeit the money within 30 days and that to get it back, he'd have to prove it was his and did not come from illegal drug sales.

    They told him the process probably would take a year, the ACLU said.

Wasn't this kind of crap supposed to stop after the 1997 federal forfeiture reforms?

Apparently not. Perhaps some drug warrior can explain to me how this kind of thing can possibly be justified. Should people who carry large sums of cash just assume that there's a small chance the government will simply steal it from them at gunpoint?


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Reply #772 - Aug 27th, 2007 at 8:41am
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Running club members face felony charges for hazmat scare at IKEA

By CARA RUBINSKY | Associated Press Writer
5:24 PM EDT, August 24, 2007


NEW HAVEN, Conn. - Daniel Salchow and his sister, Dorothee, planned to spend a pleasant afternoon marking a trail for fellow members of their offbeat running and drinking club.

Instead, they wound up in police custody after their clue of choice _ flour _ set off a bioterrorism scare and forced hundreds to evacuate an IKEA furniture store Thursday.

"It was absolutely not in any way what we intended and not what we anticipated," Salchow said Friday at the New Haven courthouse.

Salchow, a New Haven ophthalmologist, and his sister, who is visiting from Hamburg, Germany, were charged with first-degree breach of peace, a felony.

The siblings are part of the Hash House Harriers, which bills itself as a "drinking club with a running problem" and has more than 1,800 chapters around the world. The runs typically end with beer stops at pubs or homes.

The club started in Malaysia in the late 1930s, when British citizens modified an old game called hares and hounds.

The Salchows said they have sprinkled flour everywhere from New York to California without incident.

"We had done the exact same thing in Washington, D.C., as recently as two months ago," Dr. Salchow said.

He and his wife, whom he met through the running group in New York, recently moved to New Haven, where he works with needy children through a Yale University program.

The four-mile run on Thursday, the New Haven club's fourth, was also a birthday celebration for Salchow, who turned 36 on Friday.

To make things interesting, he and Dorothee, 31, decided to route runners through the massive IKEA parking lot. They were the hares, meaning they marked the trail for others, the hounds, to follow. The idea is to use symbols to direct runners, throwing in some dead ends and forks in the trail as challenges.

Just before 5 p.m., police fielded a call that someone was sprinkling powder on the ground. The popular store was evacuated and remained closed the rest of the night.

Salchow was at home waiting for the other runners to arrive for an after-party when his wife called to say there was a problem. He biked to IKEA and tried to explain to officers that the powder was just harmless flour.

City officials weren't amused. The incident prompted a massive response from New Haven police and surrounding towns.

Mayoral spokeswoman Jessica Mayorga said the city plans to seek restitution from the Salchows and will meet Monday to decide how much.

She said they should not have used the flour if they knew it had caused scares in the past.

"You see powder connected by arrows and chalk, you never know," she said. "It could be a terrorist, it could be something more serious. We're thankful it wasn't, but there were a lot of resources that went into figuring that out."

IKEA did not reopen until Friday morning. The shutdown came at a busy time _ just as college students begin returning for fall classes. The store would not provide an estimate of the cost of closing. Assistant manager Lynn Deffendall said employees offered to deliver furniture to some customers who had driven more than two hours.

"We do know that unfortunately it was inconvenient for customers, but safety will always be number one for both our customers and the co-workers," she said.

The offbeat club's tactics have caused problems elsewhere.

In 2002, a trail of flour caused a mall in Fayetteville, N.C. to evacuate for two hours. A few months earlier, two runners in Oxford, Miss., were arrested after using small piles of white powder to mark a route through a busy downtown square.

Salchow said in the wake of Sept. 11, hashers started using chalk to mark their courses. But as tensions eased, they went back to flour because it is biodegradable. He said they'll start using chalk again or find somewhere else to run.

The Salchows were released on promises to appear in court. They're due back in court Sept. 14.

"Not in my wildest dreams did I ever anticipate anything like that," he said.


I love this brave new world we live in.  That sound you just heard was the toilet flushing - we're circling the drain.

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Reply #773 - Aug 27th, 2007 at 12:17pm
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We'll soon need two Doomsday clocks...one for the entire world on the brink of extinction and one where our common sense dies.  I think we're at 11:59:58 on that clock.  And as soon as it changes to the magic hour it will blink 12:00 for the rest of time we have because someone's going to copyright 12:01 and sue whoever changes the clock.  Of course more than 90% of them won't even know how to do that anyways.

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Reply #774 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 5:20pm
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A pretty good and entertaining short film about the militarization of the police.

http://www.teachpeace.com/policemilitarization.htm
  

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Reply #775 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 5:51pm
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That was an interesting video, until he started singing.  That guy was so off key that he can't even hitch a bus ride to find a key to sing in.

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Reply #776 - Aug 29th, 2007 at 2:45pm
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Aug. 20-27, 2007 issue - In one of history's more absurd acts of totalitarianism, China has banned Buddhist monks in Tibet from reincarnating without government permission. According to a statement issued by the State Administration for Religious Affairs, the law, which goes into effect next month and strictly stipulates the procedures by which one is to reincarnate, is "an important move to institutionalize management of reincarnation." But beyond the irony lies China's true motive: to cut off the influence of the Dalai Lama, Tibet's exiled spiritual and political leader, and to quell the region's Buddhist religious establishment more than 50 years after China invaded the small Himalayan country. By barring any Buddhist monk living outside China from seeking reincarnation, the law effectively gives Chinese authorities the power to choose the next Dalai Lama, whose soul, by tradition, is reborn as a new human to continue the work of relieving suffering.

At 72, the Dalai Lama, who has lived in India since 1959, is beginning to plan his succession, saying that he refuses to be reborn in Tibet so long as it's under Chinese control. Assuming he's able to master the feat of controlling his rebirth, as Dalai Lamas supposedly have for the last 600 years, the situation is shaping up in which there could be two Dalai Lamas: one picked by the Chinese government, the other by Buddhist monks. "It will be a very hot issue," says Paul Harrison, a Buddhism scholar at Stanford. "The Dalai Lama has been the prime symbol of unity and national identity in Tibet, and so it's quite likely the battle for his incarnation will be a lot more important than the others."

So where in the world will the next Dalai Lama be born? Harrison and other Buddhism scholars agree that it will likely be from within the 130,000 Tibetan exiles spread throughout India, Europe and North America. With an estimated 8,000 Tibetans living in the United States, could the next Dalai Lama be American-born? "You'll have to ask him," says Harrison. If so, he'll likely be welcomed into a culture that has increasingly embraced reincarnation over the years. According to a 2005 Gallup poll, 20 percent of all U.S. adults believe in reincarnation. Recent surveys by the Barna Group, a Christian research nonprofit, have found that a quarter of U.S. Christians, including 10 percent of all born-again Christians, embrace it as their favored end-of-life view. A non-Tibetan Dalai Lama, experts say, is probably out of the question.


That's a freakin' joke.  Only China could pull off that one.

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Reply #777 - Aug 31st, 2007 at 2:52am
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Reply #778 - Aug 31st, 2007 at 9:51am
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Actually I posted a story about how a "goddess" wasn't allowed to obtain her "godhood" anymore because she visited the US...and she was Hindu.

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Reply #779 - Aug 31st, 2007 at 10:13am
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Yeah, so suck it!

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