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Reply #120 - Aug 7th, 2007 at 5:48pm
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This is an interesting video about the creation of Israel and the BS the Palestinians (and mass media) keep spewing...

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

It's about eight minutes long.

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Reply #121 - Aug 7th, 2007 at 7:06pm
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That was one of the best made and best presented docs I've seen on the subject.  Very concise and informative.  I didn't know all about the creation esp with Churchill giving 90% of the land to the Arabs in the 40s.

Very interesting.

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Reply #122 - Dec 3rd, 2007 at 1:28pm
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Temple Institute Announces: High Priest's Crown is Ready!
by Hillel Fendel

(IsraelNN.com) The Temple Institute in Jerusalem announces the completion of the Tzitz, the High Priest's headplate - now ready for use in the Holy Temple.

The tzitz is made of pure gold, was fashioned over the course of a more than a year by the craftsmen of the Temple Institute, and is ready to be worn by the High Priest in the rebuilt Holy Temple in Jerusalem.

The words "Holy for G-d" are engraved on the headplate, in accordance with Exodus 28:36.

Rabbi Chaim Richman, International Director of the Temple Institute, explained to Arutz-7 that until it can actually be used, the tzitz will be on view in the Institute's permanent exhibition display, together with other vessels and priestly garments fashioned for use in the Holy Temple by the Institute.

Legal Aspects: Impurity and Hekdesh
Rabbi Yisrael Ariel, Director of the Institute, explained some of the Halakhic [Jewish legal] aspects of the fashioning of the vessels for the Temple. "For one thing," he said, "they are made in impurity - for now we are impure, and will remain impure until we are able to have a Red Heifer whose ashes can be used in the Torah-prescribed purification ceremony. If no Red Heifer is available, then the High Priest must even serve in the Holy of Holies on Yom Kippur in a state of impurity."

Asked whether the fact that the vessels are dedicated for the Temple does not render them hekdesh (consecrated) and therefore forbidden for any other use, Rabbi Ariel explained, "There are two stages. First of all, we make it very clear to the donors and to the craftsmen that the ultimate purpose of these vessels is not to be used for exhibitions or the like, but rather for the fulfillment of Torah commandments in the Holy Temple. They must know this in advance. However, to gain the actual status of hekdesh, we similarly make it clear that this does not happen until the vessel is actually brought in to the Temple Mount for use in the Temple. This means that someone can try on and measure the headplate, for example, without worrying that he is benefiting in any way from something that has been consecrated to the Temple."

Menorah Moves Closer to Temple Mount
Rabbi Richman noted that in less than two weeks from now, on Rosh Chodesh Tevet, the famous Menorah (candelabrum) - suitable for use in the Holy Temple, familiar to visitors to the Cardo section of the Old City of Jerusalem - will be relocated to the landing of the wide staircase that leads down from the Jewish Quarter to the Western Wall. It will be protected inside the same type of glass structure that now houses it.

The new tzitz is an improvement on one made several years ago, in that it has a backpiece, in accordance with some commentators and the account of Josephus. In addition, it has a locking mechansim so that it will not slip off the Priest's head, and can be adjusted to fit heads of different sizes. The old one will be preserved, of course as a "spare," in keeping with the Mishnaic account that several models of various vessels were kept in the Temple, in case the need arose to replace one.

Asked what project they're working on at present, Rabbi Richman said, "We have begun work on 120 sets of garments for 'regular' priests, not the High Priest. This involves special thread from India, etc. In addition, we have begun work on architectural blueprints for the Third Temple, including cost projection, modern supplies, electricity, plumbing, computers, etc."

Bringing G-d Into Our World
"At present," Rabbi Richman explained, "people are in despair, and wonder if we're not dreaming futilely while around us our leaders are planning to give the country away. We say to them: It appears that those who went to Annapolis are the dreamers, thinking that their efforts to make peace will succeed, or that the public is with them in their efforts to give away our Jerusalem, our Temple Mount, and other national historic assets."

"We are now approaching the holiday of Chanukah," Rabbi Richman continued, "which is the holiday that commemorates the re-dedication of the Holy Temple. We're not just building beautiful vessels; we're interested in granting G-d the dwelling place that He wants in this world; the Temple is not merely a building, but a way of bringing G-d into our lives in a very real way. And that is what we aim to do. This tzitz is G-d's Chanukah present to us, and our Chanukah gift to the Jewish People."


You can see a video of the crown here.

This is pretty crazy!  Once the find a red heifer (and they're trying like crazy to breed one), things are really going to heat up quickly.

For those of you that follow eschatology, events are coming along at breakneck speed.  Politically speaking, all Israel needs is is a conservative government and we could be a few years away from Jewish blood sacrifices on the Temple Mount.  Imagine the fallout (literally) between two of the big three world religions when that happens!

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Reply #123 - Dec 3rd, 2007 at 2:07pm
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I may be wrong here...but wouldn't the Jews have to rebuild the temple in order to do proper sacrifices?  Wouldn't this also mean the Dome of The Rock has to be moved or torn down and the new temple rebuilt?

It's sad for me to see these Jews who think they are just getting by based on their lineage (by that I mean going to Heaven).  Most Jews don't even follow the OT laws of sacrifice so that they can be made clean.  E.G., no sacrificing animals, no alms giving, etc.  I know that many Jews can't even tell you how to get right with God.  It's a sad thing to see them not only reject Jesus but to even turn away from their own law to nothing but lineage.

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Reply #124 - Dec 3rd, 2007 at 2:13pm
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Well, they can't actually sacrifice animals to God right now because there hasn't been a purified priest in nearly two millenia.  That's where the red heifer comes in.  Once a perfect, unblemished red heifer is found, they can sacrifice it and use its blood to purify the priesthood.  Once that's done, the Jews can start bringing their animal sacrifices to the Temple Mount the same way they did in Bible times.

I'm sure PETA is going to crap themselves when that happens.

Either way, you're absolutely right.  God has received His perfect sacrifice, and all of the animals in the world aren't going to appease him.

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Reply #125 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 12:07pm
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Benazir Bhutto Assassinated At Rally

Updated:16:52, Thursday December 27, 2007
Pakistan has announced three days of mourning after opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was shot dead at a political rally.
The gunman then detonated a bomb, killing at least 15 of her supporters. Many more were injured in the suicide blast.
Britain's Prime Minister Gordon Brown said: "She has been assassinated by cowards afraid of democracy. This attack strengthens our resolve that terrorists will not win."
Bhutto...minutes before her death
Bhutto...minutes before her death

Ms Bhutto, 54, was shot in the chest and neck as she got into her car after her speech to thousands in Rawalpindi.

The former prime minister was unconscious as she was taken to Rawalpindi General Hospital and died soon after.

"She has been martyred," said Rehman Malik, a spokesman for her party.

Some of her supporters smashed windows and doors at the hospital, chanting: "Dog, Musharraf, Dog."

It is the first major attack since President General Pervez Musharraf lifted emergency rule two weeks ago.

He has appealed for calm in the country and declared three days of mourning.

Sky News Asia correspondent Alex Crawford said the country's January 8 elections would now "most likely be postponed or cancelled".

She added: "The entire political scene in Pakistan will be torn apart. She will become a martyr in many people's eyes.

"This is an end of a dream for them. I really don't think she ever thought it would come to this."
At least 15 others killed in attack
At least 15 others killed in attack

Rehman Malik, Ms Bhutto's security advisor, said: "We repeatedly informed the government to provide her proper security and appropriate equipment including jammers, but they paid no heed to our requests".

But Pakistan's ambassador in the US rejected the accusations that more could have been done to protect her.

He added: "This will only improve the Pakistan people's resolve to fight extremism."

He also said President Musharraf has spoken to Britain's PM about the attack.

Shabbas Sharif, the brother of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, said: "I'm shellshocked. It's very bad for this country. Whoever has done this has done the biggest disservice to Pakistan."

"The government must resign, Musharaf must go home, they must hold a very transparent inquiry into Benazir's killing."

US President George Bush is expected to make an announcement about the assassination later.

A spokesman for the White House said: "We condemn the acts of violence which took place today in Pakistan".




This could really destabilize Pakistan, which is the last thing we need in an already tumultuous Middle East.

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Reply #126 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 12:20pm
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A woman not covering her face?  Why use a gun, stone her!


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US President George Bush is expected to make an announcement about the assassination later.


Let me guess, it will go like, "well that sucks, everyone we care about still alive?  Good."
  
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Reply #127 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 1:05pm
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We go after and take down countries who don't even have WMDs or even a good military.  But when it comes to helping nations that are just able to wipe us off the face of the Earth if they get in a little spat...nahh leave them alone.

Wouldn't this be a perfect time for some international body to help negotiate and find a peaceful solution to end hostilities to step in?

If only the UN wasn't there just to regulate war and take out national sovereignty.

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Reply #128 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 1:15pm
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X wrote on Dec 27th, 2007 at 1:05pm:
Wouldn't this be a perfect time for some international body to help negotiate and find a peaceful solution to end hostilities to step in?


The only "international body" that is going to negotiate a peaceful solution in the Middle East is God.

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Reply #129 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 1:44pm
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Yes...however where you talk about the real world solution I'm talking about the fantasy world of "if everything was suppose to be the way it was without any evilness and greed" then my idea would work just fine.

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Reply #130 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 1:51pm
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Yeah, and gumdrop fairies would fly out of Spanky's butt when he farted.

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Reply #131 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 2:02pm
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Whoa, when the hell did I come to play in this subject.

And that is a fantasy world, in the real world bob has stuffed all those fairies in his pooper and there isn't much chance of them getting out anytime soon.
  
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Ohhhh!  THOSE kind of fairies...I thought we were talking about the non-magical kind!

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Reply #133 - Jan 10th, 2008 at 1:56pm
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President Bush warned Iran of "serious consequences" if it meddles again with U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf, opening a Mideast peacemaking mission Wednesday on an ominous note. He told Israel to dismantle unauthorized settlement outposts and demanded that the Palestinians halt rocket attacks from areas controlled by Hamas Islamic militants.

Bush, on his first visit as president to Israel, acknowledged widespread doubts about whether he can break through decades of distrust to achieve his goal of a major peace agreement by the end of his presidency in January, 2009.

"I'm under no illusions," Bush said at a news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. "It's going to be hard work."

Unpopular at home, Bush got an extremely warm welcome in staunch ally Israel. With his presidency slipping away and skepticism about the seriousness of his commitment to Mideast peacemaking, Bush hopes an accord would improve a legacy tarnished by an unpopular Iraq war, economic anxieties and other problems.

Already a troubling issue for Bush, Iran jumped back into the spotlight Sunday when Iranian boats harassed and provoked three American Navy ships in the strategic Strait of Hormuz. U.S. officials said Iran threatened to explode the vessels, but the incident ended peacefully.

Bush said "all options are on the table" to protect U.S. ships. He said the Iranian boats "were very provocative and it was a dangerous gesture on their part. ... And they know our position, and that is: There will be serious consequences if they attack our ships, pure and simple. And my advice to them is don't do it."

Bush already was on the defensive about Iran because a new U.S. intelligence report contradicted White House assertions that Tehran was building a nuclear weapon. The National Intelligence Estimate found Iran halted its program in 2003 under international pressure.

Iran is a particularly sensitive subject here because Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has repeatedly called for Israel's destruction, and Israelis wonder whether Bush has the resolve to deal with Tehran, especially in light of the new intelligence.

Saying he still regarded Iran as a dangerous threat, Bush said, "We'll continue to keep the pressure on the Iranians. And I believe we can solve this problem diplomatically."

After a red-carpet airport arrival in Tel Aviv, Bush flew by helicopter to Jerusalem for talks with Olmert and Israeli President Shimon Peres, who cautioned that peace negotiations "may be slow, but the progress can be sweet."

Olmert said Israel would not accept a peace agreement unless there is a halt to rocket attacks from the Gaza Strip, controlled by Islamic militants dedicated to Israel's destruction. The U.S.-backed Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, wields authority in the West Bank but not in Gaza, meaning the Palestinian population is effectively split between two governing entities.

"There will be no peace unless terror is stopped," Olmert told Bush. "And terror will have to be stopped everywhere. He said that "Gaza must be part of the package and that as long as there will be terror from Gaza, it will be very, very hard to reach any peaceful understanding between us and the Palestinians."

The threat to Israel was underscored Wednesday when Palestinian militants in the Gaza bombarded southern Israel with rocket and mortar fire.

On Thursday, Bush will fly to the West Bank and question Abbas about just that.

"As to the rockets, my first question is going to be to President Abbas, `What do you intend to do about them?'" Bush said.

"Because ultimately, in order for there to be the existence of a state, there has to be a firm commitment by a Palestinian government to deal with extremists and terrorists who might be willing to use Palestinian territory as a launching pad into Israel."

Stephen Hadley, Bush's national security adviser, sounded pessimistic about Hamas joining the peace process.

"Nobody, unfortunately, is very optimistic that they will make that choice," Hadley said. "Hamas came to power in election; it will have to submit itself at some point to the people of Gaza in terms of their approval of the job they have done. And at this point, it's a pretty depressing situation in Hamas—in Gaza for all those people who live there."

The administration set low expectations for Bush's eight-day Mideast journey, which also includes stops in Kuwait, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Bush said it would be unproductive for him to "butt in and actually dictate the end result of the agreement."

But that did not stop him from telling Israel what to do about settlements.

"In terms of outposts, yes, they ought to go," Bush said. "Look, I mean, we've been talking about it for four years. The agreement was, `Get rid of outposts, illegal outposts,' and they ought to go.'"

Israel has established some 120 settlements in the West Bank, which are home to about 270,000 Israelis. In addition, there are more than 100 outposts, most of which are tiny encampments—built by hardline activists without authorization—meant to serve as the seeds of future settlements.

The U.S.-backed peace plan known as the "road map" calls on Israel to remove dozens of outposts and freeze settlement activity, including construction in existing settlements.

Olmert repeated his pledge not to build any new settlements, but indicated Israel will continue building in major settlement blocs and east Jerusalem.

Bush was silent on Olmert's claims to the settlement blocs and east Jerusalem. This was disappointing to the Palestinians, who say all settlements are illegal.

The Palestinians want all of the West Bank and east Jerusalem for their future state. Israel wants to keep east Jerusalem and the large settlements in the West Bank under a final peace agreement.

Bush offered support to Israel on one of the core issues in the conflict. "The alliance between our two nations helps guarantee Israel's security as a Jewish state," Bush said.

Bush has referred to Israel as Jewish state in the past but the reference—here in the region—had special significance. Palestinians oppose the term, saying it rules out the right of Palestinian refugees to return to lost properties in Israel.


After the Hormuz incident, I think Bush is looking for any excuse to send our soldiers next door.  If that happens, the existing Middle East mess is going to look like a schoolyard rumble by comparison.  He's only got a year left and you know he wants to take out Iran, so now is the time.

On the other hand, Iran seems to be doing everything in their power to get the war started, too.  The common folk in Iran aren't very fond of the current regime and the pressure is building to remove them from power.  The only way for Ahmadinejad and the religious rulers to divert that pressure away from them is to give the people an outside enemy.  Guess who that is?

I hope they don't take the first shot.  It wouldn't be very prudent to start shooting first.  They are already fighting a proxy war in Iraq, but with a blatant and overt action against the US, Bush would pretty much have free reign to do as he sees fit.  Even the most ardent hippies would have a hard time complaining about US involvement in Iran if the Iranian government attacks first.

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Reply #134 - Jan 10th, 2008 at 2:14pm
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Nothing brings people together like a common enemy. (wes' mom anyone?)

I think we should just stop letting bush spend money...not fire him, just take his ability to spend money.  The problem will correct itself.
  
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