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Reply #180 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 1:17pm
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For some reason, the thought of Scorpion pulling a fatality on Jack Thompson is mildly heartwarming.



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Reply #181 - Dec 27th, 2007 at 1:46pm
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It'd be the most ironical death in all of history!

Ooo what if he just died from a normal scorpion sting?

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Reply #182 - Jan 5th, 2008 at 5:44pm
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Ok not a news story but still...HOLY CRAP!

So today I got two autographs in the mail:

1 was from the man - Stan Lee! It's awesome, only took 1 week and 1 day.

But then I see I have this bulky fed ex package...and it's from

KEVIN MITNICK!

He sent me his newest book signed because he took so long to send me something.

Isn't that awesome?  Aren't you jealous of me?




The book he sent


And the autograph

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Reply #183 - Jan 5th, 2008 at 7:49pm
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Alright, so maybe I'm a wee little bit jealous.  But not much.

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Reply #184 - Jan 8th, 2008 at 12:47am
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SUCK IT ALL YOU LIBERAL, ANTI-2ND AMENDMENT, GUN HATERS OUT THERE!!!  This is what logic gets you!

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Michigan sees fewer gun deaths — with more permits

January 6, 2008

By DAWSON BELL

FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Six years after new rules made it much easier to get a license to carry concealed weapons, the number of Michiganders legally packing heat has increased more than six-fold.

But dire predictions about increased violence and bloodshed have largely gone unfulfilled, according to law enforcement officials and, to the extent they can be measured, crime statistics.

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The incidence of violent crime in Michigan in the six years since the law went into effect has been, on average, below the rate of the previous six years. The overall incidence of death from firearms, including suicide and accidents, also has declined.

More than 155,000 Michiganders -- about one in every 65 -- are now authorized to carry loaded guns as they go about their everyday affairs, according to Michigan State Police records.

About 25,000 people had CCW permits in Michigan before the law changed in 2001.

"I think the general consensus out there from law enforcement is that things were not as bad as we expected," said Woodhaven Police Chief Michael Martin, cochair of the legislative committee for the Michigan Association of Chiefs of Police. "There are problems with gun violence. But ... I think we can breathe a sigh of relief that what we anticipated didn't happen."

John Lott, a visiting professor at the University of Maryland who has done extensive research on the role of firearms in American society, said the results in Michigan since the law changed don't surprise him.

Academic studies of concealed weapons laws that generally allow citizens to obtain permits have shown different results, Lott said. About two-thirds of the studies suggest the laws reduce crime; the rest show no net effect, he said.

But no peer-reviewed study has ever shown that crime increases when jurisdictions enact changes like those put in place by the Legislature and then-Gov. John Engler in 2000, Lott said.

In Michigan and elsewhere (liberal permitting is the rule in about 40 states), those who seek CCW permits, get training and pay licensing fees tend to be "the kind of people who don't break laws," Lott said.

Nationally, the rate of CCW permits being revoked is very low, he said. State Police reports in Michigan indicate that 2,178 permits have been revoked or suspended since 2001, slightly more than 1% of those issued.

Another State Police report found that 175 Michigan permit holders were convicted of a crime, most of them nonviolent, requiring revocation or suspension of their permits between July 1, 2005, and June 30, 2006.

But even if more armed citizens have not wreaked havoc, some critics of Michigan's law chafe at how it was passed: against stiff opposition in a lame duck legislative session and attached to an appropriation that nullified efforts at repeal by referendum.

Kenneth Levin, a West Bloomfield physician, was one of those critics. In a letter to the Free Press in July 2001, he referred to the "inevitable first victim of road or workplace rage as a result of this law."

Last month, Levin said he suspected "it probably hasn't turned out as bad as I thought. I don't think I was wrong, but my worst fears weren't realized."

But the manner in which the law was enacted was nevertheless "sneaky" and "undemocratic," Levin said.

Other opponents remain convinced that it has contributed to an ongoing epidemic of firearms-related death and destruction.

Shikha Hamilton of Grosse Pointe, president of the Michigan chapter of the anti-gun group Million Moms March, said she believes overall gun violence (including suicide and accidental shootings) is up in Michigan since 2001. Many incidents involving CCW permit holders have not been widely reported, she said.

The most publicized recent case came early in 2007, when a 40-year-old Macomb County woman fired from her vehicle toward the driver of a truck she claimed had cut her off on I-94. Bernadette Headd was convicted of assault and sentenced to two years in prison.

Hamilton said that even if gun violence has ebbed, it remains pervasive, tragic and unnecessary. At the least, a more liberal concealed weapons law means there are more guns in homes and cars and on the street, she said, and more potential for disaster.

Advocates for the law argue that there is nothing equivocal about the experience of the CCW permit holders who have warded off threats and, in a few instances, saved themselves from harm.

In September, a 36-year-old Troy man killed an armed 18-year-old assailant who, with three other suspects, attempted to steal his car outside Detroit Police headquarters.

Michelle Reurink, 40, a consultant in Lansing, got her CCW permit last year, not so much because she felt an imminent threat to her well-being, she said, but because she's a strong believer in the Constitution's Second Amendment -- the right to bear arms.

"The primary reason I got it is because I feel like I have the right to have it," she said.

Still, she doesn't often carry her gun during her daily routine, though she takes it when she and her husband go on their boat, she said.

Having the license and a handgun makes her feel more secure in her home (where no one needs a CCW license to have a gun), she said. She also feels more secure because of the required training, including self-defense lessons, she took as part of the license application.

Mark Cortis of Royal Oak, who conducts concealed weapons license training and sits on the Oakland County gun board, said he believes the benefits of an armed citizenry are evident in small ways almost every day, as permit holders deter trouble and live more confidently.

"The police just can't protect you," Cortis said. "If you have to call 911, it's probably already too late."


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Reply #185 - Jan 8th, 2008 at 6:25pm
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Wow, it's nice to read an article that isn't retardedly biased against CCW.

The real question, though, is this:  When are you guys going to apply for your own concealed weapons permits?

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Reply #186 - Jan 8th, 2008 at 7:09pm
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When I get the money to own a gun!

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Reply #187 - Jan 9th, 2008 at 12:45am
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Reply #188 - Jan 9th, 2008 at 8:28am
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Yeah, I guess that's sensible.

I've been planning on buying a summer CCW piece for the last year now and still haven't made the leap.  I'm looking at one of these bad boys...



Kahr PM4043A.  I want the version with the Tritium night sights (radiation, FTW!), but I can't seem to find $814 in my change jar...

If you guys are looking for a small, cheap, and easily concealable pistol, you might want to consider a Kel-Tec 9mm.  There are several different options, but the P9 and P11 are the most popular.  You can get them in a variety of colors (black, two-tone black/stainless, gray, etc.) and calibers (.40S&W, 9mm, .32ACP, .380) and several different sight/light options.



These pistols retail in the $200-$300 range depending on which options you choose.  You can typically buy them from a distributor at a gun show for as low as $175.

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Reply #189 - Jan 9th, 2008 at 8:33am
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I would be more willing to get my CCW if I lived in a place like detroit (murder capital of the US, woot!) or sturgis.  Down here the only shady places I go are some of the factories.  Who the hell puts a machine casting plant in the middle of the ghetto?!
  
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Reply #190 - Jan 9th, 2008 at 8:51am
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The same people that would put that factory in Mexico, and for the same reason.

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Reply #191 - Jan 9th, 2008 at 8:55am
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The more I think about this the more it makes sense.  You ever try walking off with a 2 ton part?  I didn't think so.

Take that you silly mexicans.(pun intended)
  
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Reply #192 - Jan 9th, 2008 at 9:55am
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Never underestimate the power of four hundred sleepy Mexicans!

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Reply #193 - Jan 9th, 2008 at 10:57am
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why does everyone give Detroit a bad rap. It's not the murder capital... New Orleans, Chicago, DC are worse.
  

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Reply #194 - Jan 9th, 2008 at 11:11am
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Damn, briney wins this one.  Detroit is second in the country with 47 murders per 100,000 people.

Give it a little time, detroit can play catch up!
  
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